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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
17. OK, 1947 instead of 1948.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 08:16 PM
Feb 2018

We still have no reason to assume that Ben-Gurion, who had been operating on the assumption that there could be no possible relationship with any of the Arabs OTHER than that of perpetual war, would have permitted a viable Palestinian state to be established.

Ben-Gurion's entire organizing principle was the prevention of peace, of the maintenance of a permanent myth of "crisis". And he was constantly appeasing the territorial maximalists.

SO, again, how can you be so certain the Palestinians would have gained a state, or gained anything other than what they have now?

And even if, even IF you were right about 1947...can you truly say that what happened then, SEVENTY YEARS AGO, justifies EVERYTHING, or even anywhere close to the majority of things, that have been done to Palestinians since that date?

It certainly can't be cited to justify the freaking Occupation, since the Occupation of the West Bank does nothing but make the situation more and more unstable.

OR that there is any possible logic in the assumption that, if the problem was the Palestinians having an issue with Jews living there(they got on fairly well with the indigenous non-Zionist Jewish community)that an endless process of collectively punishing and humiliating all of them for the actions of those who might resist violently was EVER going to cause the Palestinian people to accept the notion that the whole thing was THEIR fault? Why stick with humiliation when insisting on humiliation is the ONE thing guaranteed to prevent these people from ever changing in the ways you would like them to change?

Also...really, when you come down to it...we all know Israel as a country is never going to be ended-we all know that-how much difference does it really make what words Palestinians say about it? Why is it not enough for them to simply say(as the PLO said in 1994) that the recognize "the State of Israel"? Why the bloody minded insistence that they recognize it using the EXACT words Netayanhu, Prime Minister-for-Life, the man whose party will never ever be replaced in government by any party with humane, democratic values, insists that they must say?

Incredible atreides1 Jan 2018 #1
Guess Lorde ain't gonna play Sun City... FreepFryer Jan 2018 #2
What right does any country have to pass a law against people boycotting its goods? Ken Burch Jan 2018 #3
They can pass any law they want. aranthus Feb 2018 #4
Ok, enforce. Point taken on that. But what else could Lorde and the New Zealanders do but boycott? Ken Burch Feb 2018 #5
So, by her playing Russia she must support Putin's regime of oppression and occupation. Right? grossproffit Feb 2018 #6
(revised after reflection) The double standard you're trying to set up there doesn't work. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #7
your promoting collective punishment Mosby Feb 2018 #8
There's been a cultural boycott against North Carolina over its repressive, transphobic legislature. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #9
Many things. aranthus Feb 2018 #10
You're saying they could pretend it's ALL the Palestinians fault, Ken Burch Feb 2018 #11
Not all, but most. aranthus Feb 2018 #12
But the Palestinians HAVEN'T rejected it. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #13
How else are things different on your planet? aranthus Feb 2018 #14
First of all, I don't agree with Abbas on that particular point. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #15
The problem is that you don't seem to recognize the consequence of him saying it. aranthus Feb 2018 #16
OK, 1947 instead of 1948. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #17
It isn't merely the year. aranthus Feb 2018 #18
If you want the other "guy" to let go of "his" anger towards you... Ken Burch Feb 2018 #19
It's not Arab anger that drives the conflict. aranthus Feb 2018 #20
The point is, those were offers to end up recognizing Israel. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #21
You still don't get it. aranthus Feb 2018 #22
If I could play devil's advocate...you could recognize a country's "right to exist" Ken Burch Feb 2018 #23
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