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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
11. You're saying they could pretend it's ALL the Palestinians fault,
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 12:54 PM
Feb 2018

that the Israeli government is blameless, and that the only explanation for any of it is anti-Semitism(when actually what it is the natural bitterness any oppressed people feels towards the regime that oppresses them, and would be felt in exactly the same way by Palestinians if it were the Turks or the Romans treating them like this).

Even though none of that has anything to do with reality?
Even though the Israeli government is now led(and likely will be led for life) by a man who's written two entire books opposing the very idea of a Palestinian state and will never change his mind on that?
Even though, if you were a Palestinian, you would feel exactly the same helpless rage?

Even though the IDF spends its days making it impossible for Palestinians to live normal, functional lives?

The Palestinian people are not saints(just as the Israelis are not universally helpless innocent victims), but they are not olive-skinned Nazis, either-the issue here is subjugation and collective punishment, not the identity of the subjugators. And the moment the settlement project was started, the moment the lands on which the Palestinian state everyone knew was always going go have to be a component of any peace began to be seized and distributed to people who, at best, might have had an ancestor who set foot on them fourteen centuries before, any claim that what's being done to Palestinians was "security" and "self-defense" vanished.

Those who oppose anti-Semitism, and Lorde and everyone who posts regularly on this board, have NO obligation to defend anything the Israeli government is doing to Palestinians as part of proving we oppose anti-Semitism. Opposing anti-Semitism is simply about opposing discrimination against or persecution of people who are Jewish. It does not require anyone to hold any particular view about the State of Israel and it does not require anyone to insist that the Palestinian people be crushed.

Incredible atreides1 Jan 2018 #1
Guess Lorde ain't gonna play Sun City... FreepFryer Jan 2018 #2
What right does any country have to pass a law against people boycotting its goods? Ken Burch Jan 2018 #3
They can pass any law they want. aranthus Feb 2018 #4
Ok, enforce. Point taken on that. But what else could Lorde and the New Zealanders do but boycott? Ken Burch Feb 2018 #5
So, by her playing Russia she must support Putin's regime of oppression and occupation. Right? grossproffit Feb 2018 #6
(revised after reflection) The double standard you're trying to set up there doesn't work. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #7
your promoting collective punishment Mosby Feb 2018 #8
There's been a cultural boycott against North Carolina over its repressive, transphobic legislature. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #9
Many things. aranthus Feb 2018 #10
You're saying they could pretend it's ALL the Palestinians fault, Ken Burch Feb 2018 #11
Not all, but most. aranthus Feb 2018 #12
But the Palestinians HAVEN'T rejected it. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #13
How else are things different on your planet? aranthus Feb 2018 #14
First of all, I don't agree with Abbas on that particular point. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #15
The problem is that you don't seem to recognize the consequence of him saying it. aranthus Feb 2018 #16
OK, 1947 instead of 1948. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #17
It isn't merely the year. aranthus Feb 2018 #18
If you want the other "guy" to let go of "his" anger towards you... Ken Burch Feb 2018 #19
It's not Arab anger that drives the conflict. aranthus Feb 2018 #20
The point is, those were offers to end up recognizing Israel. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #21
You still don't get it. aranthus Feb 2018 #22
If I could play devil's advocate...you could recognize a country's "right to exist" Ken Burch Feb 2018 #23
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