Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: Trump Could Be Israels Worst Nightmare [View all]branford
(4,462 posts)The accusation that Israel supporters, the majority of our Party and vast majority of the American electorate, are not really liberal because of their support for Israel is presumptuous and offensive. Maybe you should consider that you and those like you are out of tune.
As I indicated in my earlier post, winning elections is more than ultimate vote counts. It requires a lot of fundraising, organization and breadth of support. There's a reason why no major Democrats, including a number of unquestioned liberals, supported Obama's UN abstention, for no other reason than it's just terrible politics. A LOT of Democratic fundraising, for issues well beyond the Middle East, involve people who care very much about Israel. They will not open open up their checkbooks or lift a finger to help our Party if we adopted any position on Israel you would support. As for the hypothetical average voter, "Israel" has become a buzzword little different than "guns" or "abortion," and if a candidate doesn't support Israel, in most areas of the country, including those that are deep blue, it is akin to political suicide. Whether you like this state of affairs is irrelevant to the political reality.
We also know you don't like the "recitation of Palestinian evils." However, they exist, and they are no different than they were in pre-1967 before Israel took control of the territories. Many Palestinians, encouraged by their leaders, still believe they will achieve a Palestinian state "from the River to the Sea," and many here seem to think that would be acceptable. It would not, and the implicit support for such a "one state" idea will cause nothing for calamity for our Party.