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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
32. It's not possible to achieve peace by coercing the Palestinian leadership
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 05:56 PM
Dec 2016

into just meekly accepting whatever the Likudniks will give them-especially if that means making the creation of a Palestinian state impossible by keeping most of the settlements and checkpoints and IDF troops in place.

No Palestinian leader could EVER agree to all of Netanyahu's demands and not be immediately driven out of power. Netanyahu wants Palestinians to basically say "Israel was always right and everything we ever wanted was wrong-we admit our entire struggle was bogus". Netanyahu wants this because he knows that any Palestinian leadership that agreed to these things would immediately be cast aside and be replaced by a rejectionist leadership, thus keeping the war going without end...which is Netanyahu's real objective-he wants the fighting to go on forever, because support for the Israeli Right would immediately collapse if anything close to peace was ever established.

How about, instead of obsessing on trying to humiliate the Palestinian leadership(a tactic you know full well can't achieve anything positive) maybe creating some of the conditions for peace by giving ordinary Palestinians breathing space...by not having the IDF in their streets constantly, by not forcing them to go through checkpoint after checkpoint just to get from one part of Palestine to another, by letting the NGO's complete humanitarian projects without making them wait endlessly for IDF approval(there was no way those SOLAR PANELS could have been weaponized, for God's sakes) and by returning the olive trees that were stolen and replanted on the illegal settlements? Would you really object to cutting the Palestinian people themselves a break? We have fifteen years of proof that collective immiseration will never force a change in the Palestinian leadership. It's time to admit that the iron fist approach has been a total failure.

Liberal Jewish vs Israeli HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #1
support for Israel is a conservative position. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #2
That is definitely not true oberliner Dec 2016 #5
Most liberal country in the Middle East is like being the tallest resident in Hobbiton. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #7
Jimmy Carter: "I know that Israel is a wonderful democracy with equal treatment..." shira Dec 2016 #18
Well at least you are acknowledging that your opinion is the opposite of Obama's oberliner Dec 2016 #25
Obama fears that the Israel he loves will cease to exist. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #44
He has never expressed that sentiment oberliner Dec 2016 #59
Not sure how that quote undermines my statement. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #64
Obama has expressed no such fears oberliner Dec 2016 #65
what Obama thinks geek tragedy Dec 2016 #66
Unquestioning public support is, though. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #14
This will put pressure on the PA/Hamas to work for peace.... shira Dec 2016 #17
You have articulated the J Street position oberliner Dec 2016 #26
I stand with them and also with Rabbi Michael Lerner Ken Burch Dec 2016 #31
I agree that the J Street position ought to be considered a pro Israel position oberliner Dec 2016 #33
Can we cancel the $40B exboyfil Dec 2016 #3
We'll be fortunate if he doesn't double it geek tragedy Dec 2016 #4
You have no idea what you are talking about oberliner Dec 2016 #6
Bush increased it over Clinton. Never tried to cut it. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #8
Obama increased aid to Israel more than any other US president oberliner Dec 2016 #24
He did appoint a new ambassador to Israel who supports moving the embassy to Jerusalem Ken Burch Dec 2016 #29
Because he is his bankruptcy lawyer oberliner Dec 2016 #34
I suppose we're lucky he didn't make Ivanka chief of staff.... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #35
She is actually one of the more reasonable people around his orbit oberliner Dec 2016 #36
Eric or Donald Jr., then. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #37
Or Hulk Hogan Sec Def, Lightning McQueen Sec. Transport.... shira Dec 2016 #39
And Obama is still considered less pro Israel than geek tragedy Dec 2016 #45
You are wrong oberliner Dec 2016 #58
To anti-zionists, all Zionists are the same Left to Right.... shira Dec 2016 #61
That is true oberliner Dec 2016 #62
Well, yes, the pro-Israel community amongst Democrats is less than absolute geek tragedy Dec 2016 #63
The second Bush was more Likudnik than Netanyahu. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #15
Not true in either case oberliner Dec 2016 #23
Reagan? Certainly not. grossproffit Dec 2016 #27
He had every Security Council resolution that was even mildly critical of the Occupation vetoed. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #28
The UN is horridly obsessed with Israel, you know that. shira Dec 2016 #40
...so THAT's where he'll build that Wall!... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #30
We would have to cancel the Camp David accords first hack89 Dec 2016 #71
I disagree with the assessment that this is the "most pro-Israel administration possible" still_one Dec 2016 #9
being pro-Israel and doing what's best for Israel are two very different things geek tragedy Dec 2016 #10
For one thing the republican party platform has rejected the Iran nuclear deal as binding on the still_one Dec 2016 #11
they make lots of noise. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #12
Hmmmm....... GeoWilliam750 Dec 2016 #13
Good. That'll probably pressure the PA into making concessions. n/t shira Dec 2016 #16
Havent they made a few? TheHak Dec 2016 #53
The PA hasn't quit the armed revolution, not even close.... shira Dec 2016 #55
Armed revolution? TheHak Dec 2016 #57
Yeah, terror. It's never stopped although it should have 20 years ago. shira Dec 2016 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #19
LoL @ your ridiculous view that Israel is a useless asset. n/t shira Dec 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #21
Well yeah, Israel is a friendly loyal democracy, it's neighbors are tyrannical.... shira Dec 2016 #22
It's not possible to achieve peace by coercing the Palestinian leadership Ken Burch Dec 2016 #32
And pressuring Israel hasn't worked out either, so? shira Dec 2016 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #41
How do u know? Pressuring the PA has never been tried before. shira Dec 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #43
I'm well aware you think no Palestinian state can exist with Jews in it. shira Dec 2016 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #47
You're not addressing the argument, that settlements could become Palestinian.... shira Dec 2016 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #49
Under the Clinton/Olmert plans, Jerusalem would be split. Next question? shira Dec 2016 #50
Why couldn't they integrate? TheHak Dec 2016 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author shira Dec 2016 #52
Are you answering to me? TheHak Dec 2016 #54
My bad, thought you were someone else. n/t shira Dec 2016 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #68
It's a domestic political calculation. geek tragedy Dec 2016 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Tich Dec 2016 #69
Palestinians have nothing to gain in the short term geek tragedy Dec 2016 #70
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