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In reply to the discussion: Stop With the Nonsense That Palestinians Are a Minority in Israel [View all]Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)56. No, I'm aware.
For the record, when I talk about dramatically increased quality of life, I'm not talking about right now. Currently conditions are awful in the OPT; though still better than they would be in most Arab states. The best of which is undeniably Jordan.
I'm not sure how you interpret this as a "dramatic increase in their inhabitants' quality of life" as the people in the West Bank would've logically had a doubled GDP if they'd stayed with Jordan.
Well, no. That's the average GDP for Jordanian citizens. Most Palestinian refugees were stripped of their Jordanian citizenships and live in conditions below the average. But still, Jordan represents the best case scenario. (Despite their having killed around 5,000 Palestinians in a weekend in the late 70's.) In Iraq and Kuwait, all of the refugees were expelled or forced to flee in the early 90's. Egypt simply forced all of them into Gaza back in the 50's. In Lebanon, Palestinian refugees are barred from working in most professions, living outside of the camps, owning property, traveling, having citizenship, or accessing the state education or hospital systems. They rely entirely on UNRWA for resources.
And what are security needs you refer to that necessitate imposing Palestinian poverty?
Security demands often end up screwing over the Palestinians financially. An example would be the closings of crossings in Gaza used for commercial goods following a bombing or mortar attack. For weeks it followed the same pattern. Hamas would bomb the crossing so it would lose down for 24 hours. When it opened again they'd bomb it again, etc., and after a few days all of the food and flowers the trucks were exporting would be worthless. This was surely Hamas' strategy. They certainly didn't want friendly business developing with the Israelis.
This wasn't as much of a problem when Gaza was under occupation obviously. But post-pull out there wasn't much they could do, short of actually going in there and bombing the shit out of everything. And once Hamas took control of Gaza entirely, trading with them at all was impossible. It would have been directly funding rockets and mortars that were fired across the border every day.
UN: Without occupation Palestinian economy could double
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134132379
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134132379
Sure, I would believe that. Honestly, I'm surprised it wouldn't be more. If Gaza hadn't immediately started firing rockets I think that it might have been economically successful.
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Stop With the Nonsense That Palestinians Are a Minority in Israel [View all]
Little Tich
Aug 2016
OP
Gaza is under Israeli occupation - the wellbeing of the people there is Israel's responsibility as
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#5
Israel is still the Occupying Power according to the Geneva Convention, sorry... n/t
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#14
They're not occupying Gaza according to any definition of a military occupation. n/t
shira
Aug 2016
#21
The UN, international law and the international community considers Gaza to be under Israeli occupat
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#26
Purely political. Has nothing to do with actual International law, definitions...
shira
Aug 2016
#28
Before 2005, there were settlements in Gaza as well as a significant Israeli military presence.
oberliner
Aug 2016
#22
You seem to be unaware of the existence of the "Agreement on Movement and Access" from 2005 between
Little Tich
Sep 2016
#50
Perhaps Israel is an evil state - at least when it comes to the treatment of Palestinians?
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#6
The purpose of Israel's treatment of Palestininans is to benefit Jewish Israelis at the expense of
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#9
Because the goal of BDS is two states, or at least better conditions for the Palestinians under
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#18
Show me where BDS' goal is 2 states. It's certainly not a Jewish one next to a Palestinian state...
shira
Aug 2016
#19
It's my firm belief that a viable Palestinian is impossible without the complete removal of all the
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#24
I disagree with your assertion that BDS has a goal that's connected to either the one or two state
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#32
The goal of BDS is primarily to promote Palestinian rights by opposing Apartheid and the occupation.
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#36
Omar Barghouti says the 3 tier plan means 1 Palestinian state next to another Palestinian state....
shira
Aug 2016
#38
That's just BS, considering BDS support of Right-of-Return, which is 100% antisemitism.
shira
Sep 2016
#39
I think you're splitting hairs - a state deliberately causing harm to people is evil regardless
Little Tich
Aug 2016
#23
I don't know of a single instance where Palestinians have been treated equally to Israelis
Little Tich
Sep 2016
#44
I was referring to the Palestinians under occupation in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza.
Little Tich
Sep 2016
#49
So you can't find a single example where the Palestinians in the occupied territories haven't been
Little Tich
Sep 2016
#53
You seem to unaware of the harsh economic conditions for the Palestinian population in the West Bank
Little Tich
Sep 2016
#55