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shira

(30,109 posts)
34. What a joke quoting Illan Pappe and accusing others of revisionism.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:45 AM
Jul 2016

Pappe is notorious for being a liar & propagandist. He even admits it:

There is no historian in the world who is objective. I am not as interested in what happened as in how people see what's happened. ("An Interview of Ilan Pappé," Baudouin Loos, Le Soir (Bruxelles),Nov. 29, 1999)

I admit that my ideology influences my historical writings...(Ibid)

Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts. Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers. (Ibid)

The debate between us is on one level between historians who believe they are purely objective reconstructers of the past, like (Benny) Morris, and those who claim that they are subjective human beings striving to tell their own version of the past, like myself. (“Benny Morris’s Lies About My Book,” Ilan Pappé, Response to Morris’ critique of Pappé’s book, “A History of Palestine” published in the New Republic, March 22, 2004, History News Network, April 5, 2004)

(Historical) Narratives... when written by historians involved deeply in the subject matter they write about, such as in the case of Israeli historians who write about the Palestine conflict, is motivated also... by a deep involvement and a wish to make a point. This point is called ideology or politics. (Ibid)

Yes, I use Palestinian sources for the Intifada: they seem to me to be more reliable, I admit. (Ibid)
BDS and Israel-hatred are the worst of both communism and alt-right ericson00 Jul 2016 #1
BDS and Israel hatred not the sane unc70 Jul 2016 #2
The former is motivated by the latter. aranthus Jul 2016 #3
These antisemitic bastards support right of return. aranthus Jul 2016 #4
+1 King_David Jul 2016 #5
I personally don't think that promoting equal rights for Palestinians is anti-Semitic. Little Tich Jul 2016 #7
This post in the AA group may also apply here GeoWilliam750 Jul 2016 #9
Yup. 100%. n/t Little Tich Jul 2016 #12
They aren't about equal rights and neither are you. aranthus Jul 2016 #10
Ah, "separate but equal"? Little Tich Jul 2016 #11
Only about 10% of Palestinians would agree to a secular, liberal western style democracy. shira Jul 2016 #15
You're the one advocating the one-state state solution, not me. Little Tich Jul 2016 #18
Wait - that's so much bullshit, I can't take it anymore.... shira Jul 2016 #21
If the partition plan from 1947 would've been adhered to, the Palestinian refugees would've been Little Tich Jul 2016 #24
Nope. Not all refugees come from within the green line.... shira Jul 2016 #31
So guess who's hindering them from returning... (Hint: It's not the PA.) Little Tich Jul 2016 #35
Palestinians are the only refugees that have increased in numbers.... shira Jul 2016 #36
Are France and Germany separate but equal? aranthus Jul 2016 #16
So ethnic discrimination is OK in the name of ethnic sovereignty then? Little Tich Jul 2016 #19
You didn't answer the question. aranthus Jul 2016 #22
They're two separate countries with separate populations. Little Tich Jul 2016 #23
So could be Israel and Palestine. aranthus Jul 2016 #25
Ah, so you're a revisionist... Little Tich Jul 2016 #26
No. You believe lies aranthus Jul 2016 #28
I suppose that if one starts drinking the hasbara kool-Aid, there's no going back to reality. Little Tich Jul 2016 #30
We've had this discussion before. aranthus Jul 2016 #38
Did you download a copy of Morris's "The Birth of the Palestinian refugee problem revisited"? Little Tich Jul 2016 #39
You keep misreading him. aranthus Jul 2016 #40
What a joke quoting Illan Pappe and accusing others of revisionism. shira Jul 2016 #34
Oops? n/t Little Tich Jul 2016 #37
Wikipedia: United Nations General Assembly Resolution 194 Little Tich Jul 2016 #27
So what? aranthus Jul 2016 #29
UNGAR 194 is about Refugees willing to live at peace who return.... shira Jul 2016 #32
Last time there was one state was 1947 & there was civil war.... shira Jul 2016 #13
Once a civil war, always a civil war? Little Tich Jul 2016 #17
Uh.....ever heard of Hamas? WTF makes you think they want to live... shira Jul 2016 #20
Do you support Israel allowing in Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc.? n/t shira Jul 2016 #33
These racist degenerates called the 2014 IDF military operation... shira Jul 2016 #6
While I personally think calling the war on Gaza "genocide" is hyperbole, Little Tich Jul 2016 #8
BDS is all hyperbole, lies, & Jew hatred. Not much else. n/t shira Jul 2016 #14
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