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shira

(30,109 posts)
18. You should read my last post to you more carefully...
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:16 AM
Jul 2016

1. B'tselem lied about not knowing whether 248 police officers killed by the IDF in 2008 were combatants. Hamas admitted they were in 2010 and yet B'tselem just updated their page 2 days ago, still claiming they don't know. Yeah, right. They've known better for 6 years. So that's an outright lie by B'tselem and you know it.

B'tselem never lies? Please.

2. No one is assuming civilians are combatants. Militants are combatants. Militants are not civilians. The way you wish to interpret IHL is to give folks like Osama bin Laden the benefit of the doubt. He was a militant, uniformed or not. When the US killed him, he was not a civilian. Thus, no war crime. Same as Israel taking out Hamas militants. Osama wasn't even carrying out a continuous combat function. Didn't matter though, you know why? Because he wasn't a civilian. No war crime committed. Think about that one. If taking out Osama was legal, then Israel taking out Hamasniks is legal too. You lose this one, utterly.

ETA

Even assuming the Osama bin Laden killing was illegal, no one claims he was an innocent civilian. He wouldn't count as a civilian in any civilian to combatant kill ratio. Same WRT Hamas militants. The police and world cup dudes don't count as civilians. Take all these bogus "civilians" out of the picture and Israel's ratio of civilians to combatants killed really is around 1:1, which is the best ratio of any western military or NATO, proving once again Israel is more careful WRT civilians than any other country. That's why the leading military American General admitted it recently himself, giving Israel credit and acknowledging that America is learning from Israel how to better protect civilians.

Stop demonizing Israel as though they're the worst WRT civilians when it turns out they're the best. When you portray it backwards - deliberately - that's just hatred, pure and simple. Maligning a group of people for crimes they do not commit is the definition of bigotry.

"Additionally, 17 children were killed while participating in the hostilities..." oberliner Jul 2016 #1
Some Hamas militants were under 18, which is contrary to international law. Little Tich Jul 2016 #2
Child militants is a war crime. No need to defend Hamas. n/t shira Jul 2016 #4
"Did not take part in hostilities" does not mean "innocent civilians". shira Jul 2016 #3
i'm skeptical 6chars Jul 2016 #5
That's why it is important to know which foreign governments fund which organizations nt King_David Jul 2016 #7
B'tselem counts dead terrorists as innocent civilians. One of many examples... shira Jul 2016 #6
It seems as if the people in the café didn't participate in hostilities - they were watching TV. Little Tich Jul 2016 #8
They were terrorists, not innocent civilians killed for no reason whatsoever. shira Jul 2016 #9
Google can make anyone an instant expert... Little Tich Jul 2016 #10
So where is this 'continuous combat function' nonsense in IHL? shira Jul 2016 #11
Let's go over that paragraph from B'tselem... shira Jul 2016 #12
It seems as if you have a problem with the fundamental purpose of IHL, which is to protect civilians Little Tich Jul 2016 #15
IOW, you lost the argument. Bottom line is B'tselem lied, you know that.... shira Jul 2016 #16
You seem to misunderstand the IHL notion of direct participation of hostilities, Little Tich Jul 2016 #17
You should read my last post to you more carefully... shira Jul 2016 #18
The other B'tselem lie is WRT the Hamas dudes killed in the cafe.... shira Jul 2016 #19
The children's blood is on Hamas' hands FBaggins Jul 2016 #13
Exactly right King_David Jul 2016 #14
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