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Little Tich

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17. You seem to misunderstand the IHL notion of direct participation of hostilities,
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:07 AM
Jul 2016

and how it's used by B'tselem in Gaza. B'tselem didn't lie - they never lie. I found a passage in the ICRC report that explains why it's contrary to IHL to automatically assume that some civilians are to be considered combatants at all times:


INTERPRETIVE guidance on the notion of Direct participation in hostilities under international humanitarian law
Source: ICRC, 2009
(snip p44-45)

Where civilians engage in hostile acts on a persistently recurrent basis, it may be tempting to regard not only each hostile act as direct participation in hostilities, but even their continued intent to carry out unspecified hostile acts in the future. However, any extension of the concept of direct participation in hostilities beyond specific acts would blur the distinction made in IHL between temporary, activity-based loss of protection (due to direct participation in hostilities), and continuous, status or functionbased loss of protection (due to combatant status or continuous combat function). In practice, confusing the distinct regimes by which IHL governs the loss of protection for civilians and for members of State armed forces or organized armed groups would provoke insurmountable evidentiary problems. Those conducting hostilities already face the difficult task of distinguishing between civilians who are and civilians who are not engaged in a specific hostile act (direct participation in hostilities), and distinguishing both of these from members of organized armed groups
(continuous combat function) and State armed forces.

In operational reality, it would be impossible to determine with a sufficient degree of reliability whether civilians not currently preparing or executing a hostile act have previously done so on a persistently recurrent basis and whether they have the continued intent to do so again. Basing continuous loss of protection on such speculative criteria would inevitably result in erroneous or arbitrary attacks against civilians, thus undermining their protection which is at the heart of IHL. Consequently, in accordance with the object and purpose of IHL , the concept of direct participation in hostilities must be interpreted as restricted to specific hostile acts.

Read more: https://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/other/icrc-002-0990.pdf
"Additionally, 17 children were killed while participating in the hostilities..." oberliner Jul 2016 #1
Some Hamas militants were under 18, which is contrary to international law. Little Tich Jul 2016 #2
Child militants is a war crime. No need to defend Hamas. n/t shira Jul 2016 #4
"Did not take part in hostilities" does not mean "innocent civilians". shira Jul 2016 #3
i'm skeptical 6chars Jul 2016 #5
That's why it is important to know which foreign governments fund which organizations nt King_David Jul 2016 #7
B'tselem counts dead terrorists as innocent civilians. One of many examples... shira Jul 2016 #6
It seems as if the people in the café didn't participate in hostilities - they were watching TV. Little Tich Jul 2016 #8
They were terrorists, not innocent civilians killed for no reason whatsoever. shira Jul 2016 #9
Google can make anyone an instant expert... Little Tich Jul 2016 #10
So where is this 'continuous combat function' nonsense in IHL? shira Jul 2016 #11
Let's go over that paragraph from B'tselem... shira Jul 2016 #12
It seems as if you have a problem with the fundamental purpose of IHL, which is to protect civilians Little Tich Jul 2016 #15
IOW, you lost the argument. Bottom line is B'tselem lied, you know that.... shira Jul 2016 #16
You seem to misunderstand the IHL notion of direct participation of hostilities, Little Tich Jul 2016 #17
You should read my last post to you more carefully... shira Jul 2016 #18
The other B'tselem lie is WRT the Hamas dudes killed in the cafe.... shira Jul 2016 #19
The children's blood is on Hamas' hands FBaggins Jul 2016 #13
Exactly right King_David Jul 2016 #14
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