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shira

(30,109 posts)
16. IOW, you lost the argument. Bottom line is B'tselem lied, you know that....
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 05:29 AM
Jul 2016

....and you have nothing in response. They lied about not knowing whether Hamas police were civilian or combatant.

You also mentioned International Law but never pointed to that exact law. ICRC interpretations are not international law. Their experts couldn't even come to a majority opinion on defining civilians. So you really have no idea what you're talking about & B'tselem lied again when they presented a non-majority expert opinion from the ICRC as well-defined International Law.

Besides, civilians are not combatants. Presumably, Osama bin Laden - a combatant and in no way a civilian - could fire a rocket at Israel in plain clothes, run off in some direction without a weapon, and get killed by Israel a few minutes later. You believe Bin Laden should then be counted as a civilian under IHL. That's absurd and not what the ICRC is talking about. OBL is a combatant, considered uniformed army and not a civilian. If you as an ordinary civilian wanted to spontaneously help OBL in some way (hide Osama in your home or let him fire a rocket at Israel from your backyard) that's another story altogether. That's when the ICRC definitions of civilians come in.

Get it now?

Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists are de-facto militants at the time they're killed, not civilians. Whether they dress as military or try to hide in civilian clothing. They're considered uniformed army, not civilians. They're not protected like civilians.

Consider yourself refuted. Utterly.

I also don't expect to see you using discredited, dishonest lying sources such as B'tselem anymore.





"Additionally, 17 children were killed while participating in the hostilities..." oberliner Jul 2016 #1
Some Hamas militants were under 18, which is contrary to international law. Little Tich Jul 2016 #2
Child militants is a war crime. No need to defend Hamas. n/t shira Jul 2016 #4
"Did not take part in hostilities" does not mean "innocent civilians". shira Jul 2016 #3
i'm skeptical 6chars Jul 2016 #5
That's why it is important to know which foreign governments fund which organizations nt King_David Jul 2016 #7
B'tselem counts dead terrorists as innocent civilians. One of many examples... shira Jul 2016 #6
It seems as if the people in the café didn't participate in hostilities - they were watching TV. Little Tich Jul 2016 #8
They were terrorists, not innocent civilians killed for no reason whatsoever. shira Jul 2016 #9
Google can make anyone an instant expert... Little Tich Jul 2016 #10
So where is this 'continuous combat function' nonsense in IHL? shira Jul 2016 #11
Let's go over that paragraph from B'tselem... shira Jul 2016 #12
It seems as if you have a problem with the fundamental purpose of IHL, which is to protect civilians Little Tich Jul 2016 #15
IOW, you lost the argument. Bottom line is B'tselem lied, you know that.... shira Jul 2016 #16
You seem to misunderstand the IHL notion of direct participation of hostilities, Little Tich Jul 2016 #17
You should read my last post to you more carefully... shira Jul 2016 #18
The other B'tselem lie is WRT the Hamas dudes killed in the cafe.... shira Jul 2016 #19
The children's blood is on Hamas' hands FBaggins Jul 2016 #13
Exactly right King_David Jul 2016 #14
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