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Little Tich

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44. If your argument is that Israel doesn't give preferential treatment to the Jewish religion and its
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 10:11 PM
Jul 2016

adherents, then you're wrong. It's easy to prove that Israel discriminates against non-Jewish religions and their adherents, and that Israel gives preferential treatment and funding to the Jewish religion and its adherents. I don't know how much you know about religious rights in the US, but the things Israel does wouldn't be allowed in the US. I think the US system of civil rights is a good standard that other countries should be judged against. As the argument here is about access to holy places, I'll provide a few examples of the actual discrimination in that regard, which isn't phony unlike the "Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount" argument.

2012 Report on International Religious Freedom: Israel and The Occupied Territories - The Occupied Territories
Source: US Department of State, May 20, 2013

The process by which the Israeli government granted Palestinians access to various sectors of the Occupied Territories at times involved de facto discrimination based on religion. The Israeli government made some accommodations for Palestinian Christians in the West Bank to access Jerusalem for religious purposes, granting 20,000 permits without age restrictions for West Bank Christian Palestinians to visit Israel during Christmas. Israeli authorities issued 500 permits to members of Gaza’s Christian community under the age of 16 and over the age of 35 to enter Israel, Jerusalem, and the West Bank for religious reasons and family visits during Christmas. However, it did not issue permits to all members of a family, which may have reduced the overall number of permits used, as some families opted not to be separated during the holidays. It issued no permits for Gazans between 16 and 35 years of age.

Israel made few accommodations for Palestinian Muslims to enter Jerusalem for religious purposes. The Israeli human rights organization Gisha filed an appeal in February 2011 on behalf of four Gazan Muslims above the age of 40 who were denied permits to enter Jerusalem to pray at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount during the Prophet Mohammed’s birthday in 2011. Gisha argued that Israel categorically rejected requests from Gazan Muslims and was obligated to set reasonable criteria that allow Muslims from Gaza to travel in areas under Israeli control for purposes of prayer. An Israeli court in August rejected Gisha’s argument and accepted the premise that the state’s obligation to Gazans is limited to permitting travel in “exceptional humanitarian cases.” The court imposed court costs on Gisha and the plaintiffs of 25,000 NIS ($6,250).

Read more: http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2012/nea/208394.htm


Under heavy guard, minister visits West Bank shrine
Soure: Times of Israel, June 1, 2016
Aryeh Deri prays, sings and dances at Joseph’s Tomb in Nablus

In the early hours of Tuesday morning, under heavy army guard, Interior Minister Aryeh Deri visited the Jewish holy site of Joseph’s Tomb in the West Bank city of Nablus.

Accompanied by fellow Shas party member MK Yoav Ben-Tzur and Petah Tivka Deputy Mayor Uriel Boso, Deri was seen praying, singing and dancing at the shrine revered by Jews as the burial site of the biblical patriarch Joseph.

Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/under-heavy-guard-minister-visits-west-bank-shrine/


A Statement from the Patriarchs and Heads of Churches in Jerusalem, concerning the Israeli police measures on Holy Saturday- May 2013
Source: Churches for Middle-East Peace (CMEP), Saturday, May 11, 2013
We, the Heads of Churches in Jerusalem, watched with sorrowful hearts the horrific scenes of the brutal treatment of our clergy, people, and pilgrims in the Old City of Jerusalem during [Orthodox calendar] Holy Saturday last week. A day of joy and celebration was turned to great sorrow and pain for some of our faithful because they were ill-treated by some Israeli policemen who were present around the gates of the Old City and passages that lead to the Holy Sepulcher.

We understand the necessity and the importance of the presence of security forces to ensure order and stability, and for organizing the celebration of the Holy Fire at the Church of the Resurrection. Yet, it is not acceptable that under pretext of security and order, our clergy and people are indiscriminately and brutally beaten, and prevented from entering their churches, monasteries and convents.

We urge the Israeli authorities especially the Ministry of Interior and the police department in Jerusalem, to seriously consider our complaints, to hold responsibility and to condemn all acts of violence against our faithful and the clergy who were ill-treated by the police. We deplore that every year, the police measures are becoming tougher, and we expect that these accidents will not be repeated and the police should be more sensitive and respectful if they seek to protect and serve.

Read more: http://www.cmep.org/content/statement-patriarchs-and-heads-churches-jerusalem-concerning-israeli-police-measures-holy-sa

One would think that the name . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Jul 2016 #1
This is pure Alice in Wonderland material. COLGATE4 Jul 2016 #2
It's only going to get worse Mosby Jul 2016 #3
There are some people still peddling the false narrative that Palestinians aren't "from" Palestine Little Tich Jul 2016 #4
Is there any link to the actual draft? Little Tich Jul 2016 #5
Bullshit leftynyc Jul 2016 #7
Seems to me that the riots were indeed caused by Israel trying to change the status quo: Little Tich Jul 2016 #8
So... what's your take on that? FBaggins Jul 2016 #9
This is not an issue about equal religious rights - it's about Judaizing Jerusalem. Little Tich Jul 2016 #10
How pathetic leftynyc Jul 2016 #11
I don't think it's right to compare Israel to some unspecified (Arab? Muslim?) country. Little Tich Jul 2016 #14
How adorable of you leftynyc Jul 2016 #21
Judaizing Jerusalem? King_David Jul 2016 #13
Jerusalem is a holy city for three major religions, and no preference should be given to only one of Little Tich Jul 2016 #16
Jerusalem is the number ONE Holy city for the Jewish people King_David Jul 2016 #17
I think it's wrong to discriminate against people based on their ethnicity and/or religion. Little Tich Jul 2016 #19
Then where is your outrage leftynyc Jul 2016 #22
The argument that this is about equal rights is false, and is one I've seen before. Little Tich Jul 2016 #27
Are you fucking kidding me with this crap? leftynyc Jul 2016 #29
If I'm only kidding, it would be quite easy to prove that Israel treats non-Jewish religions and its Little Tich Jul 2016 #30
I ALREADY proved it leftynyc Jul 2016 #31
Muslims are allowed at the Western Wall 6chars Jul 2016 #32
Muslim are allowed to pray ANYWHERE leftynyc Jul 2016 #34
Rabbi literally means "my teacher" 6chars Jul 2016 #35
I pointed that out above leftynyc Jul 2016 #36
it is tough when people have both ignorance and strong feelings 6chars Jul 2016 #37
Sure they are 6chars... Israeli Jul 2016 #39
Good for all those women leftynyc Jul 2016 #41
Wrong again ..... Israeli Jul 2016 #49
You're going to have to leftynyc Jul 2016 #52
Howz about you contact Anat Hoffman.... Israeli Jul 2016 #59
Where is the report on the ARREST? leftynyc Jul 2016 #60
Your piece of crap source leftynyc Jul 2016 #54
Wrong again ..... Israeli Jul 2016 #62
That's EXACTLY leftynyc Jul 2016 #64
Howz about you contact Anat Hoffman.... .....and ask her yourself ??? Israeli Jul 2016 #66
ALL these sources leftynyc Jul 2016 #55
The point was about equal treatment of faiths 6chars Jul 2016 #42
Nope.... Israeli Jul 2016 #50
I'll put Israel's record up against leftynyc Jul 2016 #53
follow the thread 6chars Jul 2016 #56
Deflection is part of the MO leftynyc Jul 2016 #61
I'm a post zionist 6chars..... Israeli Jul 2016 #63
irrelevant to this thread 6chars Jul 2016 #65
Equality for all Israeli citizens is "irrelevant" ...... Israeli Jul 2016 #67
And what about the Kurds? 6chars Jul 2016 #68
Some posts are just not worth responding to .......... Israeli Jul 2016 #69
If your argument is that Israel doesn't give preferential treatment to the Jewish religion and its Little Tich Jul 2016 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2016 #70
article is incorrect sabbat hunter Jul 2016 #12
This sign disagrees with you: Little Tich Jul 2016 #15
What makes you think the chief Rabbi of Israel is an authority figure for most Jews of the world? King_David Jul 2016 #18
The Chief Rabbinate of Israel is at least important enough to be allowed to put up signs. Little Tich Jul 2016 #20
You don't really know anything about this topic beyond Wikipedia and Google oberliner Jul 2016 #23
Temple Mount entry restrictions Little Tich Jul 2016 #24
Perhaps YOU don't understand that leftynyc Jul 2016 #25
Sites & Places in Jerusalem: The Temple Mount Little Tich Jul 2016 #26
Do you think pointing out that Israel leftynyc Jul 2016 #28
Doesn't get more religiously tolerant than for Israel to not allow Jewish prayer... shira Jul 2016 #38
What I want is a bill of Rights that guarantees religious freedom and equal treatment of all Little Tich Jul 2016 #46
In America it tends to be the Reform movement..... Israeli Jul 2016 #40
Bibi is a tool King_David Jul 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2016 #33
Poignant: Jew Whisked Off for Praying on Temple Mount Little Tich Jul 2016 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2016 #57
Israel agreed to keep the status quo on the Temple Mount as a part of the peace treaty with Jordan. Little Tich Jul 2016 #58
That is currently sabbat hunter Jul 2016 #47
Hopefully, the grievances of Jews, Christians and Muslims about access to their holy sites in Little Tich Jul 2016 #48
So is this sabbat hunter......... Israeli Jul 2016 #51
They tried something like this leftynyc Jul 2016 #6
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