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shira

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39. And yet Abbas still maintains Jews colluded with Nazis & are responsible....
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:40 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:26 AM - Edit history (2)

....for the Holocaust. That's gross and it's anti-semitic, even if one wants to argue that it's not exactly Holocaust Denial.

David Irving and Ernst Zundel say the same things. Everyone agrees they're antisemites, but Abbas gets away with it because you support his anti-Israel views.

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ETA:

In his May 2003 interview with Haaretz, Abbas stated:

I wrote in detail about the Holocaust and said I did not want to discuss numbers. I quoted an argument between historians in which various numbers of casualties were mentioned. One wrote there were twelve million victims and another wrote there were 800,000. I have no desire to argue with the figures. The Holocaust was a terrible, unforgivable crime against the Jewish nation, a crime against humanity that cannot be accepted by humankind. The Holocaust was a terrible thing and nobody can claim I denied it.[11]

That was 2003, saying the same thing as the NYT reported in 2014. But did his views on the Holocaust moderate? Here he is in November 2014, peddling his Holocaust Denial Books....

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4596121,00.html
But more thorough research, conducted in the past six months by Dr. Edy Cohen, a research fellow at the center for international media at Bar-Ilan University, found that there is a wide gap between the more or less clear-cut statements Abbas makes, declares and publishes in English, and the things he writes in Arabic and that are published by the Palestinian Authority and appear on his personal website.

The fact the books were recently reprinted with funding from the Palestinian Authority and are recommended on the PA president's official website, negates the claims made by Abbas and his associates several times that this is just a thesis paper released over 30 years ago.

So perhaps it is true that Abbas, as he testifies about himself, does indeed believe the Holocaust was a heinous crime against humanity, but his writing, that are still being printed, twist and distort the historical reality, as experts note.


You're bending over backwards to defend Holocaust Deniers with these mental gymnastics you're displaying here. A little self-reflection is needed.
Here it is.... shira May 2016 #1
millions of Semites are not Jews OR Israelites. anti-semite can be applied to persons who are msongs May 2016 #4
Again with this bullshit... Anti-semitism by definition is hatred of Jews. Any definition. shira May 2016 #5
You're wrong, but to make you happy aranthus May 2016 #6
Calling it what it is, Jew hatred, works for me. n/t shira May 2016 #7
It's ironic. aranthus May 2016 #8
The 31 countries... shira May 2016 #2
And Permanent International Partners who are adopting this... shira May 2016 #3
Now there is a definition of what Anti-Semitism is which is fine Tony_FLADEM May 2016 #9
According to traditional Jewish Law aranthus May 2016 #10
I'm apparently an anti-Semite according to at least 8 of the IHRA criteria. Little Tich May 2016 #11
All western liberal democracies adopted the definition. shira May 2016 #12
I'm not so sure that the same countries that ditched the EU working definition of anti-Semitism Little Tich May 2016 #14
Well, they did adopt the definition. Google it, then deal with it... shira May 2016 #15
Do you have have any proof for your claims? Little Tich Jun 2016 #19
I don't make claims when I lack proof... shira Jun 2016 #22
Do you have have any proof for your claims? n/t Little Tich Jun 2016 #31
Just gave it to you. I'm not responsible for your denial. n/t shira Jun 2016 #32
Obama Administration Anti-Semitism Czar Defines Anti-Zionism As Jew Hatred shira Jun 2016 #23
From March: US says Europe needs 'working definition' of Antisemitism shira May 2016 #17
I'm not really sure who's downplaying the bombing of a synagogue as mere anti-Israel criticism. Little Tich Jun 2016 #30
You proved the point. Firebombing a synagogue in Sweden is not anti-Israel. shira Jun 2016 #33
Oops, I think you misunderstand me - the bombing of a synagogue in Germany was an anti-Semitic act. Little Tich Jun 2016 #36
But you refused to acknowledge that in our discussion on Atzmon last July. shira Jun 2016 #37
I'm not sure what you refer to. Little Tich Jun 2016 #40
I bumped that thread and replied to one of your last posts... shira Jun 2016 #42
I think that most of us here have already figured that out. Fozzledick May 2016 #13
Jewish trolls are now being accused of pulling fast one w/ this working definition... shira May 2016 #16
the Jews, gays, women, POCs, etc always get blamed for peope hating them dlwickham Jun 2016 #51
I suspect you don't give a rat's arse about the very real dangers of extending the definition of Little Tich Jun 2016 #18
You seem to think we can't see what you're doing. Fozzledick Jun 2016 #20
I'll stick to the old definition that anti-Semitism means Jew-hatred. Little Tich Jun 2016 #21
That old definition blinded you into thinking Gilad Atzmon's criticism was legit. shira Jun 2016 #24
Interestingly, I consider Atzmon to be an anti-Semite, Little Tich Jun 2016 #29
But not because of anything Atzmon wrote or said which is clear hate towards Jews. shira Jun 2016 #34
For me it's pretty clear that Atzmon is referring to the idea that burning a synagogue is considered Little Tich Jun 2016 #41
"I'm not going to say whether it is right or not to burn down a synagogue... shira Jun 2016 #43
Even more Atzmon - Holocaust Denial - that didn't faze you according to your warped definition.... shira Jun 2016 #25
Your subjective old definition of Jew hatred led to you defending Mahmoud Abbas.... shira Jun 2016 #26
"Unlike Netanyahu, Abbas has understood the truth about the Holocaust, and the horrible accusation Little Tich Jun 2016 #28
What truth does Abbas understand? All he said was that the Shoah was horrible.... shira Jun 2016 #35
Mahmoud Abbas Shifts on Holocaust Little Tich Jun 2016 #38
And yet Abbas still maintains Jews colluded with Nazis & are responsible.... shira Jun 2016 #39
Softball question: Is Abbas an antisemite in your view? shira Jun 2016 #44
That's a good question - and I've got no answer to it. n/t Little Tich Jun 2016 #45
That's why a working definition of antisemitism is needed. shira Jun 2016 #46
The thing is that I consider anti-Semitism to be a form of racism. Little Tich Jun 2016 #47
You say I want to include things that aren't racist.... shira Jun 2016 #48
Basically every item on the IHRA list includes things that aren't racist. Little Tich Jun 2016 #49
That's ridiculous. shira Jun 2016 #50
Netanyahu: Hitler Didn't Want to Exterminate the Jews Little Tich Jun 2016 #53
No one made the accusation that calling out Netanyahu for this is antisemitic. shira Jun 2016 #54
Great example of a double-standard. You took Bibi's claim against the Mufti..... shira Jun 2016 #55
I firmly believe that bringing up historical anecdotes in a contemporary political context is a Little Tich Jun 2016 #58
But the Mufti is not the people. You make it seem like any criticism of the Mufti... shira Jun 2016 #60
Bibi a Revisionist and Hitler apologist? What a shameful crock. aranthus Jun 2016 #56
I would say that Netanyahu's attempt to shift the blame for the Holocaust from the Nazis to someone Little Tich Jun 2016 #57
Except that isn't what Bibi was doing aranthus Jun 2016 #59
The next day after the Mufti/Hitler meeting, Heydrich sent out invites to Wannsee.... shira Jun 2016 #62
Keep digging... Netanyahu's arguments don't get more appealing by you proving that he's using Little Tich Jun 2016 #63
Unsubstantiated sources? I just presented facts in that last post you don't like.... shira Jun 2016 #64
Bibi made himself clear days later, that the Nazis were fully responsible... shira Jun 2016 #61
Netanyahu retracted his statements - just like Livingstone did. Little Tich Jun 2016 #65
Interesting. You gave Abbas the benefit of the doubt w/ his Holocaust Denial.... shira Jun 2016 #66
4 articles written by notorious anti-zionist BDS-holes condemning Atzmon's Jew Hate.... shira Jun 2016 #27
Are these anti-zionist BDS'ers who call out Atzmon "pro-Israel trolls"? shira Jun 2016 #52
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