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In reply to the discussion: Thirty one countries adopt working definition of antisemitism [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)39. And yet Abbas still maintains Jews colluded with Nazis & are responsible....
Last edited Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:26 AM - Edit history (2)
....for the Holocaust. That's gross and it's anti-semitic, even if one wants to argue that it's not exactly Holocaust Denial.
David Irving and Ernst Zundel say the same things. Everyone agrees they're antisemites, but Abbas gets away with it because you support his anti-Israel views.
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In his May 2003 interview with Haaretz, Abbas stated:
I wrote in detail about the Holocaust and said I did not want to discuss numbers. I quoted an argument between historians in which various numbers of casualties were mentioned. One wrote there were twelve million victims and another wrote there were 800,000. I have no desire to argue with the figures. The Holocaust was a terrible, unforgivable crime against the Jewish nation, a crime against humanity that cannot be accepted by humankind. The Holocaust was a terrible thing and nobody can claim I denied it.[11]
I wrote in detail about the Holocaust and said I did not want to discuss numbers. I quoted an argument between historians in which various numbers of casualties were mentioned. One wrote there were twelve million victims and another wrote there were 800,000. I have no desire to argue with the figures. The Holocaust was a terrible, unforgivable crime against the Jewish nation, a crime against humanity that cannot be accepted by humankind. The Holocaust was a terrible thing and nobody can claim I denied it.[11]
That was 2003, saying the same thing as the NYT reported in 2014. But did his views on the Holocaust moderate? Here he is in November 2014, peddling his Holocaust Denial Books....
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4596121,00.html
But more thorough research, conducted in the past six months by Dr. Edy Cohen, a research fellow at the center for international media at Bar-Ilan University, found that there is a wide gap between the more or less clear-cut statements Abbas makes, declares and publishes in English, and the things he writes in Arabic and that are published by the Palestinian Authority and appear on his personal website.
The fact the books were recently reprinted with funding from the Palestinian Authority and are recommended on the PA president's official website, negates the claims made by Abbas and his associates several times that this is just a thesis paper released over 30 years ago.
So perhaps it is true that Abbas, as he testifies about himself, does indeed believe the Holocaust was a heinous crime against humanity, but his writing, that are still being printed, twist and distort the historical reality, as experts note.
But more thorough research, conducted in the past six months by Dr. Edy Cohen, a research fellow at the center for international media at Bar-Ilan University, found that there is a wide gap between the more or less clear-cut statements Abbas makes, declares and publishes in English, and the things he writes in Arabic and that are published by the Palestinian Authority and appear on his personal website.
The fact the books were recently reprinted with funding from the Palestinian Authority and are recommended on the PA president's official website, negates the claims made by Abbas and his associates several times that this is just a thesis paper released over 30 years ago.
So perhaps it is true that Abbas, as he testifies about himself, does indeed believe the Holocaust was a heinous crime against humanity, but his writing, that are still being printed, twist and distort the historical reality, as experts note.
You're bending over backwards to defend Holocaust Deniers with these mental gymnastics you're displaying here. A little self-reflection is needed.
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millions of Semites are not Jews OR Israelites. anti-semite can be applied to persons who are
msongs
May 2016
#4
Again with this bullshit... Anti-semitism by definition is hatred of Jews. Any definition.
shira
May 2016
#5
I'm apparently an anti-Semite according to at least 8 of the IHRA criteria.
Little Tich
May 2016
#11
I'm not so sure that the same countries that ditched the EU working definition of anti-Semitism
Little Tich
May 2016
#14
I'm not really sure who's downplaying the bombing of a synagogue as mere anti-Israel criticism.
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#30
Oops, I think you misunderstand me - the bombing of a synagogue in Germany was an anti-Semitic act.
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#36
Jewish trolls are now being accused of pulling fast one w/ this working definition...
shira
May 2016
#16
I suspect you don't give a rat's arse about the very real dangers of extending the definition of
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#18
That old definition blinded you into thinking Gilad Atzmon's criticism was legit.
shira
Jun 2016
#24
But not because of anything Atzmon wrote or said which is clear hate towards Jews.
shira
Jun 2016
#34
For me it's pretty clear that Atzmon is referring to the idea that burning a synagogue is considered
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#41
Even more Atzmon - Holocaust Denial - that didn't faze you according to your warped definition....
shira
Jun 2016
#25
Your subjective old definition of Jew hatred led to you defending Mahmoud Abbas....
shira
Jun 2016
#26
"Unlike Netanyahu, Abbas has understood the truth about the Holocaust, and the horrible accusation
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#28
What truth does Abbas understand? All he said was that the Shoah was horrible....
shira
Jun 2016
#35
I firmly believe that bringing up historical anecdotes in a contemporary political context is a
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#58
But the Mufti is not the people. You make it seem like any criticism of the Mufti...
shira
Jun 2016
#60
I would say that Netanyahu's attempt to shift the blame for the Holocaust from the Nazis to someone
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#57
The next day after the Mufti/Hitler meeting, Heydrich sent out invites to Wannsee....
shira
Jun 2016
#62
Keep digging... Netanyahu's arguments don't get more appealing by you proving that he's using
Little Tich
Jun 2016
#63
Unsubstantiated sources? I just presented facts in that last post you don't like....
shira
Jun 2016
#64