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In reply to the discussion: Legitimate criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitism [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)50. The worst critics of Israel spew out most or all of those examples constantly....
It's not just 1 or 2 in isolation, and that's how to distinguish the antisemites from those who might sometimes use 1 of those examples on occasion.
As a comparison, all people who were shot and killed are possibly murdered. But it's not necessarily murder, because there are many instances where people are shot and killed without being murdered. However, every time someone gets shot and killed, it should be investigated.
Israel haters call it murder every time w/o fail, that Israel, the IDF & Netanyahu are baby killers who target civilians due to hate & bigotry.....and that self-defense against Hamas aggression is but an excuse. Evidence to the contrary proving Israel is more careful with civilians than any other country on earth means nothing to the Jew haters who will just continue to call it murder, baby killers, etc. It's deliberate & they know it provokes more hatred & violence not just against Israel but Jews in general.
I told you before, it's the lies that give it away. Repeating the lies & slander is a dead giveaway of Jew hatred.
I think you're too eager to jump to the conclusion that something must be anti-Semitism, when it's possible it isn't. For example, the accusation that Israel is targeting civilians is not slander, nor anti-Semitic - it's an accusation that would be leveled against any country that's killing civilians under similar circumstances.
Given the proof that Israel doesn't target or murder civilians deliberately out of malice, of course it's antisemitic when the accusations are repeated.
And I don't understand why it's anti-Semitic to criticize pinkwashing - no country should get away with doing things like that.
Sorry, not understanding.
Are you saying Israel's record WRT gay rights is nothing but a show?
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I believe that no ethnic group should be allowed to create a state and discriminate against other
Little Tich
May 2016
#9
Frankly, I think that liberal democracy is the only viable form of government.
Little Tich
May 2016
#12
Really? So what is your side doing to promote Palestinian liberal democratic values?
shira
May 2016
#14
Israel already guarantees equal rights for all its citizens despite the fiction you're selling. n/t
shira
May 2016
#15
It's an irrational hatred so the lie that he's never once heard anyone say anything antisemitic....
shira
May 2016
#52
I put up the OP because it reflects my own beliefs on anti-Semitism to a great degree.
Little Tich
May 2016
#10
I've realized that Alan Johnson never mentions what he believes constitutes legitimate criticism of
Little Tich
May 2016
#27
In post #4, I wrote before the video that at 1:08 into it Johnson distinguishes...
shira
May 2016
#32
Did you watch the video? Still don't know the difference b/w legit criticism & demonisation? n/t
shira
May 2016
#43
I seem to struggle with that particular clip, but why don't you enlighten me?
Little Tich
May 2016
#44
Calling Israel a Nazi, Apartheid state or calling for the forced transfer of Israel's Jews...
shira
May 2016
#47
I think that there is a difference in how we define the motivations for the examples you mentioned.
Little Tich
May 2016
#48
The worst critics of Israel spew out most or all of those examples constantly....
shira
May 2016
#50
Wait - you didn't answer my last question. Let's see if what you're saying is legitimate....
shira
May 2016
#54
Where have you ever seen Israel's record on gay rights used to deflect criticism?
shira
May 2016
#57
You're exhausted because u don't want to distinguish b/w legit criticism & Jew hate?
shira
May 2016
#58
As to the Nazi comparison, that's Holocaust Inversion....a form of Holocaust Denial
shira
May 2016
#17
"Holocaust Inversion" - that's a real fancy name for a limited instance of a very common mistake in
Little Tich
May 2016
#21
I'm not giving Livingstone a free pass - it's just that I can't go from his statement being possibly
Little Tich
May 2016
#24
It would of course clinch it if Livingstone would make comments that revealed that he really doesn't
Little Tich
May 2016
#28
“A real antisemite doesn’t just hate the Jews in Israel”: Ken Livingstone’s extraordinary definition
FBaggins
May 2016
#31
It's all his bizarre statements & lies that prove w/o question he's a Jew hater. n/t
shira
May 2016
#51
It's actually simple - the proof must prove that a person is an anti-Semite.
Little Tich
May 2016
#39