Israel/Palestine

shira

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47. Calling Israel a Nazi, Apartheid state or calling for the forced transfer of Israel's Jews...

Sun May 8, 2016, 05:57 AM

May 2016

....to America like Naz Shah is pre-meditated, illegitimate and antisemitic incitement. It's deliberate. When Ken Livingstone lied by saying Hitler was a Zionist before going mad, there was only one reason for doing so & it was to purposely provoke hatred against Zionists (Jews).

Malicious fabrications & slander like Israel controls foreign governments, or that Israel set out to murder children in Gaza during the 2014 war, or that Israel kills Palestinians in order to take their organs, or that Jews are thieves who have no history at the Temple Mount...all of this is deliberate antisemitic incitement meant to provoke animosity & violence against Jews.

Defending Hamas & supporting their violence against Jews knowing full well that Hamas' goals aren't just the destruction of Israel but murder of all Jews....is neo-Nazi style antisemitism.

Attacking Jews for being tricksy, by bringing all this up in bad faith in order to defend Israel policy.....is antisemitic. Bashing Israel for doing good things (gay rights, treating Palestinians from Gaza) but always attributing the worst sinister motives for them (pinkwashing) is antisemitic.

Anti-Semitism is a form of racism directed against Jews

Anti-Semitism is antipathy towards Jews

I agree, but the problem is you don't know what racism and antipathy towards Jews looks like since you defend all the above as mere criticism of Israel.

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Legitimate criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitism [View all] Little Tich May 2016 OP

Some of this I agree with aranthus May 2016 #1

For the record aranthus May 2016 #2

I believe that Israel doesn't have the right to exist as a Jewish state, Little Tich May 2016 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars May 2016 #8

I believe that no ethnic group should be allowed to create a state and discriminate against other Little Tich May 2016 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars May 2016 #11

Frankly, I think that liberal democracy is the only viable form of government. Little Tich May 2016 #12

Really? So what is your side doing to promote Palestinian liberal democratic values? shira May 2016 #14

You're really barking up the wrong tree. n/t Little Tich May 2016 #25

Not at all. If you truly want a liberal democratic 1-state solution, prove it... shira May 2016 #33

Wrong tree. Little Tich May 2016 #41

Without a state and strong Jewish army King_David May 2016 #20

It's this indifference to the safety of Jews worldwide that's telling... shira May 2016 #34

Israel already guarantees equal rights for all its citizens despite the fiction you're selling. n/t shira May 2016 #15

Read this OP and comment on it please... shira May 2016 #13

Of course it isn't FBaggins May 2016 #3

Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is pure antisemitism. shira May 2016 #5

The quote that really gets me: FBaggins May 2016 #6

It's an irrational hatred so the lie that he's never once heard anyone say anything antisemitic.... shira May 2016 #52

Typical anti-Zionist trash. The OP writer is part of the problem... shira May 2016 #4

I put up the OP because it reflects my own beliefs on anti-Semitism to a great degree. Little Tich May 2016 #10

Yes, you believe you know better what antisemitism & zionism is than Jews. shira May 2016 #16

Ah, so Alan Johnson was just another pro-Israel shill after all... Little Tich May 2016 #19

See, it's hard to argue Alan Johnson is wrong when he distinguishes.... shira May 2016 #22

I've realized that Alan Johnson never mentions what he believes constitutes legitimate criticism of Little Tich May 2016 #27

In post #4, I wrote before the video that at 1:08 into it Johnson distinguishes... shira May 2016 #32

Did you watch the video? Still don't know the difference b/w legit criticism & demonisation? n/t shira May 2016 #43

I seem to struggle with that particular clip, but why don't you enlighten me? Little Tich May 2016 #44

I thought you saw it. Here's another link... shira May 2016 #45

So there's no illegitimate criticism of Israel whatsoever on DU then? Little Tich May 2016 #46

Calling Israel a Nazi, Apartheid state or calling for the forced transfer of Israel's Jews... shira May 2016 #47

I think that there is a difference in how we define the motivations for the examples you mentioned. Little Tich May 2016 #48

The worst critics of Israel spew out most or all of those examples constantly.... shira May 2016 #50

I'm going to jump this thread. Little Tich May 2016 #53

Wait - you didn't answer my last question. Let's see if what you're saying is legitimate.... shira May 2016 #54

I thought this thread was exhausted, but your question deserves an answer. Little Tich May 2016 #56

Where have you ever seen Israel's record on gay rights used to deflect criticism? shira May 2016 #57

You're exhausted because u don't want to distinguish b/w legit criticism & Jew hate? shira May 2016 #58

As to the Nazi comparison, that's Holocaust Inversion....a form of Holocaust Denial shira May 2016 #17

"Holocaust Inversion" - that's a real fancy name for a limited instance of a very common mistake in Little Tich May 2016 #21

You're giving Holocaust minimizers (deniers) a free pass to bash Jews. shira May 2016 #23

I'm not giving Livingstone a free pass - it's just that I can't go from his statement being possibly Little Tich May 2016 #24

Then perhaps you're more alike then you realize FBaggins May 2016 #26

It would of course clinch it if Livingstone would make comments that revealed that he really doesn't Little Tich May 2016 #28

You must no have read the entire interview FBaggins May 2016 #29

Source, please. n/t Little Tich May 2016 #30

“A real antisemite doesn’t just hate the Jews in Israel”: Ken Livingstone’s extraordinary definition FBaggins May 2016 #31

I'm not sure our friend agrees with what classical antisemitism.... shira May 2016 #35

Crickets. They won't admit there's a problem, ever. n/t shira May 2016 #38

Yet another bizarre statement made by a former Mayor of London. Little Tich May 2016 #40

It's all his bizarre statements & lies that prove w/o question he's a Jew hater. n/t shira May 2016 #51

You didn't answer what proof of being an antisemite would look like. shira May 2016 #36

It's actually simple - the proof must prove that a person is an anti-Semite. Little Tich May 2016 #39

How about lies that incite hatred & violence? Is that proof? n/t shira May 2016 #42

Sigh FBaggins May 2016 #18

Legitimate criticism of the PLO & Hamas is considered racist by Israel haters.... shira May 2016 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars May 2016 #49

Chilling but typical silence from the Israel hating Left. No time for reflection.... shira May 2016 #55