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In reply to the discussion: Legitimate criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitism [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)22. See, it's hard to argue Alan Johnson is wrong when he distinguishes....
...between legit criticism and Jew hating demonisation.
Antisemitic anti-Zionism bends the meaning of Israel and Zionism out of shape until both become fit receptacles for the tropes, images and ideas of classical antisemitism. In short, that which the demonological Jew once was, demonological Israel now is: uniquely malevolent, full of blood lust, all-controlling, the hidden hand, tricksy, always acting in bad faith, the obstacle to a better, purer, more spiritual world, uniquely deserving of punishment, and so on.
Antisemitic anti-Zionism has three components: a programme, a discourse, and a movement.
First, antisemitic anti-Zionism has a political programme: not two states for two peoples, but the abolition of the Jewish homeland; not Palestine alongside Israel, but Palestine instead of Israel.
Second, antisemitic anti-Zionism is a demonising intellectual discourse (as I outline in my chapter in Gabe Brahms and Cary Nelsons book, The Case Against Academic Boycotts of Israel). The Left is imprisoning itself within a distorting system of concepts: Zionism is racism; Israel is a settler-colonialist state which ethnically cleansed the indigenous people, went on to build an apartheid state and is now engaged in an incremental genocide against the Palestinians.
And there is the ugly phenomenon of Holocaust Inversion the deliberate and systematic Nazification of Israel in street placards depicting Netanyahu as Hitler, in posters equating the IDF and the SS, in cartoons portraying Israelis as Nazis, and even in the language of intellectuals.
Third, antisemitic anti-Zionism is a presence within a global social movement (the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions, or BDS movement) to exclude one state and only one state from the economic, cultural and educational life of humanity: the little Jewish one.
Antisemitic anti-Zionism has three components: a programme, a discourse, and a movement.
First, antisemitic anti-Zionism has a political programme: not two states for two peoples, but the abolition of the Jewish homeland; not Palestine alongside Israel, but Palestine instead of Israel.
Second, antisemitic anti-Zionism is a demonising intellectual discourse (as I outline in my chapter in Gabe Brahms and Cary Nelsons book, The Case Against Academic Boycotts of Israel). The Left is imprisoning itself within a distorting system of concepts: Zionism is racism; Israel is a settler-colonialist state which ethnically cleansed the indigenous people, went on to build an apartheid state and is now engaged in an incremental genocide against the Palestinians.
And there is the ugly phenomenon of Holocaust Inversion the deliberate and systematic Nazification of Israel in street placards depicting Netanyahu as Hitler, in posters equating the IDF and the SS, in cartoons portraying Israelis as Nazis, and even in the language of intellectuals.
Third, antisemitic anti-Zionism is a presence within a global social movement (the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions, or BDS movement) to exclude one state and only one state from the economic, cultural and educational life of humanity: the little Jewish one.
You've seen dozens of examples here of antisemitic BDS Israel bashing.
Your silence WRT those vile acts speaks volumes.
First step for you is to acknowledge there's a problem, not pretend it's all made up.
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I believe that no ethnic group should be allowed to create a state and discriminate against other
Little Tich
May 2016
#9
Frankly, I think that liberal democracy is the only viable form of government.
Little Tich
May 2016
#12
Really? So what is your side doing to promote Palestinian liberal democratic values?
shira
May 2016
#14
Israel already guarantees equal rights for all its citizens despite the fiction you're selling. n/t
shira
May 2016
#15
It's an irrational hatred so the lie that he's never once heard anyone say anything antisemitic....
shira
May 2016
#52
I put up the OP because it reflects my own beliefs on anti-Semitism to a great degree.
Little Tich
May 2016
#10
I've realized that Alan Johnson never mentions what he believes constitutes legitimate criticism of
Little Tich
May 2016
#27
In post #4, I wrote before the video that at 1:08 into it Johnson distinguishes...
shira
May 2016
#32
Did you watch the video? Still don't know the difference b/w legit criticism & demonisation? n/t
shira
May 2016
#43
I seem to struggle with that particular clip, but why don't you enlighten me?
Little Tich
May 2016
#44
Calling Israel a Nazi, Apartheid state or calling for the forced transfer of Israel's Jews...
shira
May 2016
#47
I think that there is a difference in how we define the motivations for the examples you mentioned.
Little Tich
May 2016
#48
The worst critics of Israel spew out most or all of those examples constantly....
shira
May 2016
#50
Wait - you didn't answer my last question. Let's see if what you're saying is legitimate....
shira
May 2016
#54
Where have you ever seen Israel's record on gay rights used to deflect criticism?
shira
May 2016
#57
You're exhausted because u don't want to distinguish b/w legit criticism & Jew hate?
shira
May 2016
#58
As to the Nazi comparison, that's Holocaust Inversion....a form of Holocaust Denial
shira
May 2016
#17
"Holocaust Inversion" - that's a real fancy name for a limited instance of a very common mistake in
Little Tich
May 2016
#21
I'm not giving Livingstone a free pass - it's just that I can't go from his statement being possibly
Little Tich
May 2016
#24
It would of course clinch it if Livingstone would make comments that revealed that he really doesn't
Little Tich
May 2016
#28
“A real antisemite doesn’t just hate the Jews in Israel”: Ken Livingstone’s extraordinary definition
FBaggins
May 2016
#31
It's all his bizarre statements & lies that prove w/o question he's a Jew hater. n/t
shira
May 2016
#51
It's actually simple - the proof must prove that a person is an anti-Semite.
Little Tich
May 2016
#39