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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
48. It's not possible to refute a truth with half-truths and outright lies.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:24 PM
Apr 2016

I did take a look at your links and the DU thread. Interestingly, I wasn't convinced by a single argument in favor of having different laws for non-Jews or even denying their existence. It was all complete hogwash, and quite a lot of it too. Unfortunately, it was too much to refute in one go, but I can assure you that none of it will stand up to scrutiny. Interestingly, I didn't find anything about why it's not discriminatory to reserve 93% of all land in Israel for Jewish use only. I guess some turds can't be polished.

If you actually believe that there's no discrimination going on Israel or in the occupied territories, just pick a single one of the discriminatory laws below and try to tell me how it's not discriminatory:

Increased Governance and Raising the Qualifying Election Threshold – Bill to Amend Basic Law: The Government (1160)
Civil Wrongs Law - Amendment No. 8 (Liability of the State)
Criminal Procedure Law - Interrogating Suspects - Amendment No. 6
Income Tax Ordinance - Amendment No. 191
Israeli Prisons Ordinance Amendment No. 43 - Prisoner-Attorney Meetings
Israeli Prisons Ordinance - Amendment No. 40 (Meetings with Lawyers)
"Anti-Boycott Law" - Prevention of Damage to the State of Israel through Boycott
Foreign Property Ownership - Israel Lands Law (Amendment No. 3)
"Admissions Committees Law" - Cooperative Societies Ordinance - Amendment No. 8
Citizenship Law - Amendment No. 10
"Nakba Law" - Amendment No. 40 to the Budgets Foundations Law
"Foreign Government Funding Law" - Law on Disclosure Requirements for Recipients of Support from a Foreign State Entity
Law to Strip Payments from a Current or Former Member of Knesset due to a Crime
Extension of Detention - Criminal Procedure Law (Suspects of Security Offenses) (Temporary Order) - Amendment No. 2
"Negev Individual Settlements" - Negev Development Authority Law - Amendment No. 4
Absorption of Discharged Soldiers Law - Amendment No. 12
Land (Acquisition for Public Purposes) Ordinance - Amendment No. 10
"Pardon Law" or "Amnesty Law" - Termination of Proceedings and Deletion of Records in the Disengagement Plan Law
Regional Councils Law (Date of General Elections) Special Amendment No. 6
Israel Land Administration Law - Amendment No. 7
National Priority Areas - The Economic Efficiency Law - Legislative Amendments for Implementing the Economic Plan for 2009-2010
Child Vaccinations and Child Allowances - Economic Efficiency Law
Absorption of Discharged Soldiers Law - Amendment No. 7: Benefits for Discharged Soldiers
Criminal Procedure Law - Interrogating Suspects - Amendment No. 4
Criminal Procedure Law (Detainee Suspected of Security Offence) (Temporary Order)
"Ban on Family Unification" - Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (Temporary Order)
Law of Political Parties - Amendment No. 12
Use of Hebrew Date Law
Knesset Law
Basic Law: The Government
Second Authority for Television and Radio Law
The Golan Heights Law
Interpretation Law
Public Lands Law (Eviction of Squatters)
Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel
Foundations of Law Act
Religious Jewish Services Law
Law of Yad Yitzhak Ben-Zvi (1969) and Law of Mikve Israel Agricultural School (1976)
Protection of Holy Sites Law
National Planning and Building Law -Limitation of Water, Electricity and Telephone
Broadcasting Authority Law
Basic Law: Israel Lands
Israel Land Administration Law
Basic Law: The Knesset
Jewish National Fund Law
State Education Law
Land Acquisition Law (Actions and Compensation)
World Zionist Organization-Jewish Agency (Status) Law
Entry into Israel Law
Citizenship Law
Law of Return
Absentees’ Property Law
State Stamp Law
Flag and Emblem Law
Law and Government Ordinance, Article 18A
Defense Regulations (Times of Emergency), Regulation 125 (Closed Zones)
Trade with the Enemy Ordinance


Source: http://www.adalah.org/en/law/index

Note: the list of Adalah laws includes a few laws that are not yet active and to be fair to you, I haven't included them. Anyway, pick one of the above, and I will cheerfully rip your argumentation to shreds.



* cough cough * .... Israeli Apr 2016 #1
This was posted before? King_David Apr 2016 #2
Not to my knowledge KD .... Israeli Apr 2016 #3
Strange, it just opens for me. King_David Apr 2016 #4
Amazing ......... Israeli Apr 2016 #5
Must be a private inside joke , that only you get? King_David Apr 2016 #6
Must be KD ....nt. Israeli Apr 2016 #7
They must be doing something wrong leftynyc Apr 2016 #28
Which link leftynyc..... Israeli Apr 2016 #29
The one in post 22 leftynyc Apr 2016 #30
.....and KD's original link ? Israeli Apr 2016 #31
I didn't even try it leftynyc Apr 2016 #33
Opened up for me FBaggins Apr 2016 #52
Strange? Really? here you gave a reason azurnoir Apr 2016 #8
What do you think of the OP King_David Apr 2016 #9
lol you were the one going on about not having any paywall problems azurnoir Apr 2016 #10
10 posts through and all they've done is deflect. Not one thought on the OP. n/t shira Apr 2016 #11
Its an uncomfortable OP King_David Apr 2016 #12
LOL .... Israeli Apr 2016 #13
I know right. King_David Apr 2016 #14
My last post was directed at you KD .......and Israeli Apr 2016 #15
Really? King_David Apr 2016 #16
Yup really .... Israeli Apr 2016 #18
Nah , I think it's because you live in a small isolated insular Kibbutz King_David Apr 2016 #19
Enough with the complaining about the damn link... branford Apr 2016 #17
The link no longer appears to work. branford Apr 2016 #22
"Zionism is an outstandingly successful human rights movement." Little Tich Apr 2016 #20
Zionism, Jewish self-determination, is a "racist ideology?" branford Apr 2016 #21
All forms of ethnic discrimination are racist IMHO. n/t Little Tich Apr 2016 #23
So, I assume you also oppose Palestinian claims to self-determination branford Apr 2016 #24
All calls for removing a population of one ethnicity and replacing it with another are racist. Little Tich Apr 2016 #25
There is no legal discrimination against Israeli Arabs in Israel. shira Apr 2016 #40
Zionism is Racism???? King_David Apr 2016 #26
I see a lot of ethnic discrimination going on in Israel and the occupied territories, Little Tich Apr 2016 #27
That's not Zionism. Seriously, you've been here for over a year... shira Apr 2016 #32
If Israel did not adhere to Zionist values, it would become a normal democracy Little Tich Apr 2016 #35
Take away Zionism & Jews would have no homeland, nowhere to go for sanctuary.... shira Apr 2016 #38
You know leftynyc Apr 2016 #34
So why do you think that Israel has a political system that discriminates against non-Jews in Israel Little Tich Apr 2016 #36
What exactly are the racist leftynyc Apr 2016 #37
It's exactly those elements that justify making discrimination against non-Jews into Israeli law Little Tich Apr 2016 #41
Zionism leftynyc Apr 2016 #43
Everyone has equal rights in a liberal Israeli democracy. Your charges are bullshit. shira Apr 2016 #39
I've got a list of 50 discriminatory laws that says otherwise. Little Tich Apr 2016 #42
That idiocy has been debunked here before... shira Apr 2016 #44
This is what happens when people look to Mondoweiss for accurate information oberliner Apr 2016 #45
The only reason to continue posting from there is to incite hatred & bigotry. n/t shira Apr 2016 #46
So there's no discrimination against non-Jews in Israel and the occupied territories at all? Little Tich Apr 2016 #47
That's called a straw man, isn't it? oberliner Apr 2016 #49
State your position then... Little Tich Apr 2016 #50
Mondoweiss is a duplicitous blog site run by a hate-filled bigot oberliner Apr 2016 #53
It's not possible to refute a truth with half-truths and outright lies. Little Tich Apr 2016 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author shira Apr 2016 #51
Oh, I would jump through a lot of hoops if it would enable me to refute you. Little Tich Apr 2016 #54
I deleted that last post, because I'm anxious to get into Adalah's utter idiocy.... shira Apr 2016 #55
Congratulations, you've managed to pick some of the least offensive of the discriminatory laws on Little Tich Apr 2016 #59
None of them are remotely discriminatory in any way oberliner Apr 2016 #60
I think that these 3 laws actually promote the jewishness of Israel rather than its democratic and Little Tich Apr 2016 #62
Really? So the Nordic Cross flags of Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland.... shira Apr 2016 #61
Actually, the Scandinavian flags aren't very emotionally charged symbols. Little Tich Apr 2016 #63
LoL @ your double standard. That Nordic cross is a religious symbol. shira Apr 2016 #64
Adalah says Law of Return for Jews going to Israel is discriminatory.... shira May 2016 #66
Could you please then explain the legal grounds for mandatory draft for jewish citizens and only Little Tich May 2016 #72
Already did in last post. They shouldn't be required to fight fellow Arabs, family... shira May 2016 #75
Israeli Arabs: Will you serve in the Israeli army? shira May 2016 #84
One more ridiculous claim of discrimination by Adalah.... shira May 2016 #67
You've obviously never heard of DWB. Little Tich May 2016 #73
You can throw smoke screens all you want, but requiring ID's from everyone... shira May 2016 #76
Population Registry Law (1965) shira May 2016 #68
Tich...just in case you 'forgot' this one. n/t shira May 2016 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author shira May 2016 #69
Ah i see the problems sabbat hunter May 2016 #71
I think that American legal standards make a good rule of thumb for determining if a practice Little Tich May 2016 #74
How about French, Italian, or Swedish legal standards? Are they discriminatory? shira May 2016 #78
DU is mainly a forum for people who support the values of American Democratic Party. Little Tich May 2016 #79
Israel is an ethnic national state like Germany, Finland, Greece, Ireland, & Italy... shira May 2016 #80
I'm not sure what form this "discrimination" would take in Germany, Finland, Greece, Ireland, Little Tich May 2016 #81
Please. "Every single law on the Adalah list would be struck down..." shira May 2016 #82
So, apart from our disagreements over the interpretation of what practices may constitute Little Tich May 2016 #83
There is no political system sabbat hunter May 2016 #70
I once heard a bigot say that same thing about the NAACP. FBaggins Apr 2016 #56
They are both wrong, essentially. To determine the finite level of anti-Semitism within the Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #57
Good post King_David Apr 2016 #58
Rabbi Gideon D. Sylvester has a strange concept of human rights..... kayecy Apr 2016 #65
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