Israel/Palestine

Little Tich

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69. Those maps only prove my point.

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 09:11 AM

Mar 2016

According to Olmert's proposal, in what direction could East Jerusalem expand, and how can Jerusalem be connected with Betlehem, Jericho, Ramallah and Hebron when there are settlements in the way? Wouldn't Qalqiyah be completely hemmed in by settlements? I hope you understand that these towns and cities need to be connected and to be able to expand, or there won't be a viable Palestinian state. If the economic situation in the West Bank and East Jerusalem was different and less poverty stricken, it would prove me wrong to at least some extent, but things being what they are, I can say with some certainty that if Israel keeps most of the settlements in the heart of the West Bank that make things difficult for the Palestinians, there won't be a Palestinian state.

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Abbas Rejects U.S. Peace Proposal, Again [View all] Mosby Mar 2016 OP

Geez another give Israel everything it wants "peace deal" is turned down. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #1

Obviously your clueless on this topic King_David Mar 2016 #2

There are people (see responses in this thread), aranthus Mar 2016 #4

Exactly 6chars Mar 2016 #7

At least come clean with it, King_David Mar 2016 #10

The most religious Right wing Gov in our history .... Israeli Mar 2016 #12

Yeah right. Now stop pretending you're for a Palestinian state, okay? shira Mar 2016 #9

East Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestinian state is not what Israel wants oberliner Mar 2016 #17

Was Biden at least gracious enough to offer Abbas a tissue after spitting in his face? Little Tich Mar 2016 #3

If the Palestinians sabbat hunter Mar 2016 #5

When it comes to the question of a future return of the Palestinian refugees, it's possible it will Little Tich Mar 2016 #6

We get it already, okay? You're against 2 states & peace... shira Mar 2016 #8

For me, you are the one-stater in this thread, not me. Little Tich Mar 2016 #18

Not buying it. You reject every offer from 1937 to 2008. shira Mar 2016 #28

What about the Arab Peace Initiative from 2002? Little Tich Mar 2016 #30

In 2013, land swaps were voted into the Arab Peace Initiative shira Mar 2016 #31

Israel rejected that out of hand azurnoir Mar 2016 #32

Abbas rejected that out of hand WRT Olmert. Arafat WRT Clinton Initiatives 2001 shira Mar 2016 #33

Abbas was not in power during the Clinton era and must we really revisit Olmert-again azurnoir Mar 2016 #34

No deflecting. Which 2-state solution going back 80 years do u support? n/t shira Mar 2016 #35

Lol perhaps you take your own advice :) azurnoir Mar 2016 #36

You butted in, which is fine. But I was talking about Tich... shira Mar 2016 #39

you brought up Abbas Olmert comment #33 - I replied to that I replied comment #34 azurnoir Mar 2016 #40

No deflecting you say? King_David Mar 2016 #37

No need when the subject has been debunked azurnoir Mar 2016 #42

Debunked by you? King_David Mar 2016 #43

well let's take a look again mmmkay azurnoir Mar 2016 #44

. King_David Mar 2016 #46

I support the one Abbas himself presented to the UN in 2011 azurnoir Mar 2016 #50

What are the details of this wonderful peace plan? shira Mar 2016 #54

Please provide an example of such a land swap so that can I understand what you mean. Little Tich Mar 2016 #47

Your position is so hardline extreme, you oppose the Arab Peace Initiative... shira Mar 2016 #55

I'm not against the Arab Peace Initiative, but it seems as if you are. Little Tich Mar 2016 #59

You're against land swaps, which means you're against the Arab Peace Initiative. shira Mar 2016 #61

It seems as if you've got difficulties forming a cogent argument about the land swaps. Little Tich Mar 2016 #62

I'm pointing out the fact that no 2 state proposal would be good enough for you.... shira Mar 2016 #64

Wasn't that offer withdrawn when Netanyahu took over, or do you think it's still valid? n/t Little Tich Mar 2016 #65

It's not whether I would deign to accept a peace proposal or not, it's only about whether it's Little Tich Mar 2016 #67

Here are 2 maps with 2 viable Palestinian states.... shira Mar 2016 #68

Those maps only prove my point. Little Tich Mar 2016 #69

Nonsense. If you're worried that the state isn't contiguous then see Olmert's.... shira Mar 2016 #70

The GDP per capita in the West Bank is 1974 US$, in Gaza it's 876 US$. Little Tich Mar 2016 #71

It's an example of a non-peace proposal. aranthus Mar 2016 #45

Is there any way the Arab Peace Initiative could be amended to become acceptable to Israel? Little Tich Mar 2016 #48

I do not think that anything acceptable to Israel would be offered or accepted by the other side. aranthus Mar 2016 #56

Add to that a #4 about legitimate security considerations (given Gaza). n/t shira Mar 2016 #58

That wouldn't leave enough land for a viable Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem, Little Tich Mar 2016 #60

The reason there aren't 2 states today is the same reason it didn't happen in 1947. shira Mar 2016 #63

I would like to point out that it's not always a good idea to draw a direct parallell between a Little Tich Mar 2016 #66

We heard that once already. Igel Mar 2016 #11

I think the chance for a viable two-state solution is less likely now than before Netanyahu. Little Tich Mar 2016 #19

No King_David Mar 2016 #24

About "right of return" 6chars Mar 2016 #13

There isn't one. aranthus Mar 2016 #14

Thanks for the clarification 6chars Mar 2016 #15

Can you link us to the part where Bibi welcomed it with open arms? I must have missed that part azurnoir Mar 2016 #16

I don't think there's anyone here who understands this post of yours, King_David Mar 2016 #20

Nope are you sure you understand the thread? maybe reread the title again azurnoir Mar 2016 #21

Can you link to the part where Biden presented it to Bibi? n/t aranthus Mar 2016 #22

actually it was an idea "floated by unnamed WH 'officials'" according to the Towers source -ToI azurnoir Mar 2016 #23

What has that to do with what Aranthus asked? King_David Mar 2016 #25

It deflects from it. aranthus Mar 2016 #26

Deflect is the right word for that reply we got King_David Mar 2016 #27

I'm questioning the veracity The Tower makes a claim and links to a ToI* article as proof azurnoir Mar 2016 #29

Deflect from this please azurnoir Mar 2016 #41

Of course he did leftynyc Mar 2016 #38

Sounds familiar somehow ..... Israeli Mar 2016 #49

Anyone have the text of the deal, not filtered through the Israel Project's propaganda pamphlet? Scootaloo Mar 2016 #51

WSJ maybe? at least that's where the road leads azurnoir Mar 2016 #53

I don't see it as a deal exactly do you? Mosby Mar 2016 #57

The Palestinians are fools. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #52

Why Abbas turned Biden down............ Israeli Mar 2016 #72

Abbas Rejects Peace and Palestinian Statehood, U.S. Media Rejects Coverage shira Apr 2016 #73