Israel/Palestine

shira

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63. The reason there aren't 2 states today is the same reason it didn't happen in 1947.

Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:06 PM

Mar 2016

In 1947, there were no settlements. The Palestinans flat-out rejected 2 states.

Absolutely nothing has changed.

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As for your "viable" Plan B, one-state; I just posted this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134126189

There's your 1-secular state. Isn't it wonderful? And you think that's better than 2 states at this point.

Unreal.

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Abbas Rejects U.S. Peace Proposal, Again [View all] Mosby Mar 2016 OP

Geez another give Israel everything it wants "peace deal" is turned down. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #1

Obviously your clueless on this topic King_David Mar 2016 #2

There are people (see responses in this thread), aranthus Mar 2016 #4

Exactly 6chars Mar 2016 #7

At least come clean with it, King_David Mar 2016 #10

The most religious Right wing Gov in our history .... Israeli Mar 2016 #12

Yeah right. Now stop pretending you're for a Palestinian state, okay? shira Mar 2016 #9

East Jerusalem as the capital of a Palestinian state is not what Israel wants oberliner Mar 2016 #17

Was Biden at least gracious enough to offer Abbas a tissue after spitting in his face? Little Tich Mar 2016 #3

If the Palestinians sabbat hunter Mar 2016 #5

When it comes to the question of a future return of the Palestinian refugees, it's possible it will Little Tich Mar 2016 #6

We get it already, okay? You're against 2 states & peace... shira Mar 2016 #8

For me, you are the one-stater in this thread, not me. Little Tich Mar 2016 #18

Not buying it. You reject every offer from 1937 to 2008. shira Mar 2016 #28

What about the Arab Peace Initiative from 2002? Little Tich Mar 2016 #30

In 2013, land swaps were voted into the Arab Peace Initiative shira Mar 2016 #31

Israel rejected that out of hand azurnoir Mar 2016 #32

Abbas rejected that out of hand WRT Olmert. Arafat WRT Clinton Initiatives 2001 shira Mar 2016 #33

Abbas was not in power during the Clinton era and must we really revisit Olmert-again azurnoir Mar 2016 #34

No deflecting. Which 2-state solution going back 80 years do u support? n/t shira Mar 2016 #35

Lol perhaps you take your own advice :) azurnoir Mar 2016 #36

You butted in, which is fine. But I was talking about Tich... shira Mar 2016 #39

you brought up Abbas Olmert comment #33 - I replied to that I replied comment #34 azurnoir Mar 2016 #40

No deflecting you say? King_David Mar 2016 #37

No need when the subject has been debunked azurnoir Mar 2016 #42

Debunked by you? King_David Mar 2016 #43

well let's take a look again mmmkay azurnoir Mar 2016 #44

. King_David Mar 2016 #46

I support the one Abbas himself presented to the UN in 2011 azurnoir Mar 2016 #50

What are the details of this wonderful peace plan? shira Mar 2016 #54

Please provide an example of such a land swap so that can I understand what you mean. Little Tich Mar 2016 #47

Your position is so hardline extreme, you oppose the Arab Peace Initiative... shira Mar 2016 #55

I'm not against the Arab Peace Initiative, but it seems as if you are. Little Tich Mar 2016 #59

You're against land swaps, which means you're against the Arab Peace Initiative. shira Mar 2016 #61

It seems as if you've got difficulties forming a cogent argument about the land swaps. Little Tich Mar 2016 #62

I'm pointing out the fact that no 2 state proposal would be good enough for you.... shira Mar 2016 #64

Wasn't that offer withdrawn when Netanyahu took over, or do you think it's still valid? n/t Little Tich Mar 2016 #65

It's not whether I would deign to accept a peace proposal or not, it's only about whether it's Little Tich Mar 2016 #67

Here are 2 maps with 2 viable Palestinian states.... shira Mar 2016 #68

Those maps only prove my point. Little Tich Mar 2016 #69

Nonsense. If you're worried that the state isn't contiguous then see Olmert's.... shira Mar 2016 #70

The GDP per capita in the West Bank is 1974 US$, in Gaza it's 876 US$. Little Tich Mar 2016 #71

It's an example of a non-peace proposal. aranthus Mar 2016 #45

Is there any way the Arab Peace Initiative could be amended to become acceptable to Israel? Little Tich Mar 2016 #48

I do not think that anything acceptable to Israel would be offered or accepted by the other side. aranthus Mar 2016 #56

Add to that a #4 about legitimate security considerations (given Gaza). n/t shira Mar 2016 #58

That wouldn't leave enough land for a viable Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem, Little Tich Mar 2016 #60

The reason there aren't 2 states today is the same reason it didn't happen in 1947. shira Mar 2016 #63

I would like to point out that it's not always a good idea to draw a direct parallell between a Little Tich Mar 2016 #66

We heard that once already. Igel Mar 2016 #11

I think the chance for a viable two-state solution is less likely now than before Netanyahu. Little Tich Mar 2016 #19

No King_David Mar 2016 #24

About "right of return" 6chars Mar 2016 #13

There isn't one. aranthus Mar 2016 #14

Thanks for the clarification 6chars Mar 2016 #15

Can you link us to the part where Bibi welcomed it with open arms? I must have missed that part azurnoir Mar 2016 #16

I don't think there's anyone here who understands this post of yours, King_David Mar 2016 #20

Nope are you sure you understand the thread? maybe reread the title again azurnoir Mar 2016 #21

Can you link to the part where Biden presented it to Bibi? n/t aranthus Mar 2016 #22

actually it was an idea "floated by unnamed WH 'officials'" according to the Towers source -ToI azurnoir Mar 2016 #23

What has that to do with what Aranthus asked? King_David Mar 2016 #25

It deflects from it. aranthus Mar 2016 #26

Deflect is the right word for that reply we got King_David Mar 2016 #27

I'm questioning the veracity The Tower makes a claim and links to a ToI* article as proof azurnoir Mar 2016 #29

Deflect from this please azurnoir Mar 2016 #41

Of course he did leftynyc Mar 2016 #38

Sounds familiar somehow ..... Israeli Mar 2016 #49

Anyone have the text of the deal, not filtered through the Israel Project's propaganda pamphlet? Scootaloo Mar 2016 #51

WSJ maybe? at least that's where the road leads azurnoir Mar 2016 #53

I don't see it as a deal exactly do you? Mosby Mar 2016 #57

The Palestinians are fools. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #52

Why Abbas turned Biden down............ Israeli Mar 2016 #72

Abbas Rejects Peace and Palestinian Statehood, U.S. Media Rejects Coverage shira Apr 2016 #73