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69. How do we feel about cut and paste deceptive posts promoting hydrogen?

Mon Apr 6, 2015, 10:35 PM

Apr 2015

I mean it's bad enough that the press releases call hydrogen an "energy source" and non-polluting.

But when a poster stitches in graphics not from the article cited, and misleading graphics at that, repeatedly and with impunity, I become very suspect at their motives.

To wit: http://www.democraticunderground.com/112783503

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Poll: Should Deniers Be Allowed To Post In E&E? [View all] hatrack Jun 2014 OP

'ALLOWED???' elleng Jun 2014 #1

Sure, it's a group and there are people barred from posting... TreasonousBastard Jun 2014 #3

We don't need anti-science people in this group. Seriously..... SolarAdvocate May 2017 #95

Oh, I don't know, sometimes people get bored Warpy May 2017 #96

i agree julia b. Nov 2018 #104

Only if they can explain OTEC Doomy_Tunes Jul 2017 #98

Rise of the Machines hoffyburger Mar 2018 #102

Only if people are desperate for chew toys Warpy Jun 2014 #2

*SNORT* hatrack Jun 2014 #4

Only if they can back up their arguments with evidence. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2014 #5

Yes. "Discuss all things related to environmental issues and energy policy." rug Jun 2014 #6

No. truebrit71 Jun 2014 #12

The only one who mentioned trolls is you. rug Jun 2014 #16

Project much? truebrit71 Jun 2014 #17

Not at all. rug Jun 2014 #18

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #19

I hope you've done better than this. rug Jun 2014 #20

I've done much better, I'm just bringing it down to a level that you might understand... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #22

You have one thing, and one thing only, right. You've brought it down to a level where thought ends. rug Jun 2014 #23

Fuck no. PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #58

Where's your ellipses? rug Aug 2014 #59

Huh? PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #61

I would say yes if I was more involved. joshcryer Jun 2014 #7

All this attention you guys are getting made FreedRadical Jun 2014 #8

I read the choices and I read Skip Intro's choice CreekDog Jun 2014 #9

My other thought on this is that several of us know exactly who would come back CreekDog Jun 2014 #10

There are places for deniers to post. defacto7 Jun 2014 #11

You said, "grinding out the basics of "is it or isn't it" in every discussion isn't helpful tblue37 Jun 2014 #42

This is the slippery path to segregation and closing off all input Demeter Jun 2014 #13

^^this^^ rateyes Jun 2014 #14

This is not an echo chamber.. truebrit71 Jun 2014 #15

climate change denial is facilitating a crime against humanity (and a multitude of other species) Warren Stupidity Jun 2014 #21

Agreed... SidDithers Jun 2014 #25

I agree it should be a TOS issue and it has been included in PPR justifications CreekDog Jun 2014 #33

How about being honest with us next time? CreekDog Jun 2014 #26

Well done. truebluegreen Jun 2014 #27

You know, honesty doesn't mean what you think it does Demeter Jun 2014 #34

I can understand not trusting anybody these days CreekDog Jun 2014 #36

Troll tactics TXCritter Dec 2016 #94

Actually people are harmed by lies, all the time. CreekDog Jun 2014 #37

Let me count the ways.... defacto7 Jun 2014 #43

+1 TXCritter Dec 2016 #93

Adults' table was a great tradition so they could carry on serious discussion lostnfound Oct 2023 #117

No they shouldn't... SidDithers Jun 2014 #24

Isn't there a site for those people here, already. Creative Speculation... Tikki Jun 2014 #28

My answer is OTHER. And here's why.... MADem Jun 2014 #29

No, "all things" doesn't mean people can post intentionally misleading and unscientific things CreekDog Jun 2014 #30

Why? Because YOU say so? Do you realize how pompous you sound? MADem Jun 2014 #31

I'm not going to lose any sleep over the fact that several deniers aren't allowed to post here CreekDog Jun 2014 #32

See post 38, just downthread. nt MADem Jun 2014 #39

There are half a dozen hosts... any can unlock a banned poster FBaggins Jun 2014 #35

Why not just be honest, and make it a protected group with an agenda and a purpose and limitations MADem Jun 2014 #38

Good idea! XemaSab Jun 2014 #40

I think it will solve a lot of problems--it will certainly direct the conversation in a positive MADem Jun 2014 #41

Would it have made a difference? FBaggins Jun 2014 #44

Well, he couldn't have claimed that he "didn't know" if the rules are clearly spelled out, MADem Jun 2014 #45

A climate change denier will deny the nose on their face CreekDog Jun 2014 #47

That's fine, but if you don't let them know up front MADem Jun 2014 #49

First, define "denier" Yo_Mama Jun 2014 #46

Exactly LouisvilleDem Jul 2014 #54

Deniers are those who deny the very existence of anthropogenic Ghost Dog Jul 2014 #55

maybe they could be redirected to the Religion forum.. Bill USA Jun 2014 #48

That would seem most appropriate SorellaLaBefana Nov 17 #119

Sure. If they want to make themselves look foolish theHandpuppet Jul 2014 #50

I like chew toys ... intaglio Jul 2014 #51

No Way. They should have to post in Creative Speculation. dballance Jul 2014 #52

Deniers no, but what about luke warmers? LouisvilleDem Jul 2014 #53

AGW denial thoughts PeaceMonger12345 Jul 2014 #56

They should be sent to Creative Speculation or Religious forums Agnosticsherbet Aug 2014 #57

Fabulous idea.... PoutrageFatigue Aug 2014 #60

they really should post on the Religion forum. Bill USA Aug 2014 #62

No - it's tinfoil nonsense and has no place here jpak Nov 2014 #63

Reluctant 'no' Panich52 Jan 2015 #64

Skepticism makes us think and question our own ideas -that is a good thing mj44fx1 Feb 2015 #65

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #111

Hell No! George Beerlover Apr 2015 #66

Are there such on DU? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #67

Oh, yeah, there are some regulars, and I've given them the heave-ho over time hatrack Apr 2015 #68

How do we feel about cut and paste deceptive posts promoting hydrogen? NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #69

What have you got against hydrogen research? TXCritter Dec 2016 #92

+1 eviliberal Feb 2016 #81

It depends on what kind of DENIERS your talking about. GuyVelella Apr 2015 #70

The ones who deny reality and prefer to hide behind right wing talking points ... Nihil Apr 2015 #71

pass a law against denialism Cassidy1 May 2015 #72

HELL No! Southern Belle Blue Aug 2015 #73

Let's just expose science denial for what it is. HuckleB Sep 2015 #74

??? OntheFringe87 Sep 2015 #75

In a strictly legal sense, cheapdate Sep 2015 #77

I dont think censoring speech jkbRN Sep 2015 #76

Exactly... quad489 Feb 2018 #99

Deniers of what? Climate change? Renew Deal Sep 2015 #78

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #79

Yes, we are the party that allows civilized debate even with those who are dead wrong. n/t SylviaD Feb 2016 #80

Of course... Goblor Mar 2016 #82

Give the pro-nuke and climate change deniers their own forums Lodestar Apr 2016 #83

Yeah, they might even be as popular & lively as ... Nihil Apr 2016 #84

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #85

Why not? Lunabell Jul 2016 #86

Yes gives us more info to refute them Ainaloa Aug 2016 #87

Exactly. TXCritter Dec 2016 #90

I think that kind of nonsense is probably better suited for, say, creative speculation. MADem Oct 2016 #88

All FL Fringe Millennials,XYZ-Gen's obligated vote dem per FL' very real crucial 4x-Env. Crisis's ZAZMAZ42 Nov 2016 #89

What are you afraid of? Is the science not on our side? TXCritter Dec 2016 #91

I argue "yes" jimlup Jun 2017 #97

dont know where to post this joseph263 Mar 2018 #100

No complete waste of the group's space and purpose. Free to start thier own group lunasun Mar 2018 #101

No. mountain grammy Oct 2018 #103

we don't have time to waste of fuckwittery, harumph Jul 2019 #105

My rationale for voting "No" Mike 03 Nov 2019 #106

Normally, I'm 100% for free speech no matter the view, but RealityChik Mar 2020 #107

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #108

Per your comment below GP6971 Sep 2020 #109

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2020 #110

Fair enough. GP6971 Sep 2020 #112

I did vote "kill them with fire" nam78_two Feb 2021 #113

Freedom of Speech wins. Also winning is several types of ignore buttons on DU - such patricia92243 Apr 2022 #114

Why do you hate freedom hatrack? jfz9580m Apr 2022 #115

I will read a post from a denier once. friend of a friend Jan 2023 #116

I'm a littlre divided on this one Warpy Jan 2024 #118