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OKIsItJustMe

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8. Six words stopped nuclear power
Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:55 PM
Nov 18
Atoms for Peace: Atoms for Peace was propaganda. All the world knew about atomic power was that you could destroy cities with it. Eisenhower wanted people to see nuclear power as our friend! Hence the title of the movie, Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. We were told that we could harness the mighty power of the atom to power our cities! We could have nuclear powered aircraft carriers, nuclear powered submarines, nuclear powered airplanes, even nuclear powered cars! Indeed, nuclear power would be “too cheap to meter.” We started building reactors, with little thought regarding what we would do with their spent fuel, or their reactor cores, and, they were not “too cheap to meter.” The “hype” was overblown.

Three Mile Island. The China Syndrome with its warnings of a “nuclear meltdown” had barely made it to the theaters, before we had one on our hands (although at the time, it was not acknowledged.) As the drama proceeded, people in the vicinity were greeted with “what if” maps in the local newspapers, portraying possible radiation exposure levels which bore a striking resemblance to maps of a nuclear detonation.

Virtually overnight, we stopped building new reactors, and existing ones were eyed as threats.


In the 1970’s we knew that fossil fuels were finite, and we knew that the “Greenhouse Effect” was a threat (although it was perceived as a distant one.) Gerald Ford started a campaign to make Solar Power practical. Jimmy Carter picked up his program, and expanded upon it, researching other forms of renewable energy sources as well.

Ronald Reagan came to town, and cut the R&D into renewable energy sources, and did not resurrect the nuclear industry. His answer was simply to produce and burn more fossil fuels.

In spite of Reagan R&D continued, although at a slower pace. Today, renewable energy sources can be installed faster and more cheaply than nuclear plants, and nuclear plants are not the climate panacea they are made out to be. (Back to propaganda again…)

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-why-nuclear-won-t-cut-it-if-we-want-to-drop-carbon-as-quickly-as-possible
25-Year Study of Nuclear vs Renewables Says One Is Clearly Better at Cutting Emissions
ENVIRONMENT 11 October 2020 By DAVID NIELD

Nuclear power is often promoted as one of the best ways to reduce our reliance on fossil fuels to generate the electricity we need, but new research suggests that going all-in on renewables such as wind and solar might be a better approach to seriously reducing the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Based on an analysis of 123 countries over a quarter of a century, the adoption of nuclear power did not achieve the significant reduction in national carbon emissions that renewables did – and in some developing nations, nuclear programmes actually pushed carbon emissions higher.

The study also finds that nuclear power and renewable power don't mix well when they're tried together: they tend to crowd each other out, locking in energy infrastructure that's specific to their mode of power production.

Given nuclear isn't exactly zero carbon, it risks setting nations on a path of relatively higher emissions than if they went straight to renewables.



In my opinion, nuclear fission likely has a role to play for some time. I believe it will be eclipsed by nuclear fusion (if we live long enough to deploy either.) In the meantime, we need to cut emissions as quickly as possible, and nuclear power just isn’t doing it.

Your utter rejection of renewable sources of energy, at every opportunity, in spite of the facts is simply irrational.

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Disel is one of the dirtiest burning fossil fuels GoreWon2000 Nov 18 #1
Right. More immediately, diesel exhaust can cause heart attacks OKIsItJustMe Nov 18 #2
No such thing as "clean diesel" GoreWon2000 Nov 18 #3
Uh, this is not "clean diesel" (like "clean coal.") OKIsItJustMe Nov 18 #4
It's all snake oil GoreWon2000 Nov 20 #11
Please go back and read the OP - better yet, follow the links I provided OKIsItJustMe Nov 20 #12
Curious, where are your schooling and work credentials on this issue? GoreWon2000 Nov 20 #13
You have obviously mistaken me for an opponent OKIsItJustMe Nov 20 #14
My engineer father's credentials are totally relevant GoreWon2000 Nov 21 #17
Powering transport with "Green Hydrogen" OKIsItJustMe Nov 20 #15
Reading articles isn't actual expertise GoreWon2000 Nov 21 #16
I take it your father is recently deceased. You must miss him. I am sorry for your loss. OKIsItJustMe Nov 21 #18
You're NOT an engineer GoreWon2000 Nov 21 #19
Please understand, I do not disrespect your father's credentials. I know you are very proud of them. OKIsItJustMe Nov 21 #20
My engineer father was way ahead GoreWon2000 Nov 22 #21
Your engineering credentials are to make such comments? GoreWon2000 Nov 24 #30
Snake oil would work too! FullySupportDems Nov 23 #27
The fossil fuel that currently creates most electricity will run out GoreWon2000 Nov 23 #24
Permit me to correct you a little. Yes, there is a term "Clean Diesel" in the industry... CoopersDad Nov 22 #22
Bio-diesel is not a solution GoreWon2000 Nov 23 #23
I never said it was a solution. But it's better than fossil fuels until we can do better than we do now. CoopersDad Nov 23 #28
Green hydrogen is the solution GoreWon2000 Nov 24 #29
But bio diesels have much different emissions FullySupportDems Nov 23 #26
Bio-diesel involves growing corn or sugar cane GoreWon2000 Nov 24 #31
I understand, it's not a good use of resources FullySupportDems Nov 25 #32
Wow!!!! We're saved! Of the 11300 CO2 to C2 electrochemical papers... NNadir Nov 18 #5
No we're not OKIsItJustMe Nov 18 #6
Look, I fully recognize that nuclear power will not... NNadir Nov 18 #7
Six words stopped nuclear power OKIsItJustMe Nov 18 #8
Um no. What stopped nuclear power was selective attention driven by deliberate ignorance driven by propaganda. NNadir Nov 18 #9
I guess you don't bother to try to understand things you don't want to OKIsItJustMe Nov 18 #10
Um...um...um..."atoms for peace" prevented, as of 2013, 65 billion tons of carbon dioxide. NNadir Nov 23 #25
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