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In reply to the discussion: Should the Phoenix Arise; the Bateman Equation and Wind Energy. [View all]NNadir
(34,684 posts)And of course, it's worth noting that as usual, our antinukes responsible for the extreme global heating now before us, have no interest in whether their expensive and useless toys produce more energy than fossil fuels, since they obviously they couldn't care less about fossil fuels.
It's always "more than nuclear," because the reality is that antinukes, who have agitated against nuclear energy for decades while not giving a fuck about the collapse of the planetary atmosphere from fossil fuel waste, carbon dioxide, are quite literally, now that the planet is burning, arsonists complaining about forest fires.
The whole fucking planet is on fire, and still we hear this shit, day in and day out, all night long (while the solar shit is doing nothing). It never stops while the planet burns. It's Nero playing his fiddle loudly all over the dying Earth.
I don't expect that posting anything about capacity utilization can reach these tiresome fantasies that have been flying around for the entire 21st century while the planet burns, but a pile of solar junk that will be electronic waste in 25 years almost never reaches the advertised peak power. A 1000 Megawatt solar industrial park covering thousands of acres that operates at 25% capacity utilization overall, and requires back up by fossil fuels every night, is not equivalent to a 1000 MWe nuclear power plant on a few acres that can run, without refueling, for years at a time, day and night, irrespective of rain, wind and snow, at 100% capacity utilization, decade upon decade upon decade upon decade. For 75% percent of the time, on average, the solar garbage needs to be backed up by dangerous fossil fuels, a fact about which, again, antinukes couldn't care less. While average continuous power of solar crap is less than 25% of the average continuous power of a nuclear plant, the real issue is not the average, it is the requirement for redundancy which means fossil fuels.
Of course, antinukes couldn't care less about fossil fuels. They never have; they never will. The only reliability in which they are interested is reliably attacking the last best hope of the human race, nuclear energy.
This tortured inability to understand basic units of science the difference between the Joule and the Watt, the latter derived from the first by inclusion by division in units of time - the EIA should know better, as these tables enforce, rather than reduce ignorance - as this misinformation has led us to an ignorant public focused on spin and, as always, unable to grasp reality, is part of the reason behind the generation of extreme global heating we now experience.
The charts above do not, make 8 + 8 greater than 30 in units of energy, Exajoules, not peak power (which renewable energy rarely ever produces) as in the table to which I keep referring, and fails to induce even a modicum of education, not that I expect anyone handing out this tiresome bullshit.
World Energy Outlook 2024
Table A.1a: World energy supply Page 296.
It won't sink in, of course, but nonetheless, a fact is a fact and is not subject to change by religious faith.
I fully recognize, again, that "renewables will save us" types here don't give a rat's ass about the growing use of fossil fuels, so I'll not bother to point out that 8 EJ + 8 EJ does not even remotely approach the three digit numbers for each of the dangerous fossil fuels listed in the table. The "renewables will save us" crowd remain clearly disinterested entirely in the most tragic issue before humanity, extreme global heating generated by dangerous fossil fuel waste. They have always been interested in attacking the only form of reliable, scalable, extremely low carbon form of energy there is, nuclear energy.
They thus remain, as always, willing to openly express their contempt for the collapse of the planetary atmosphere. As such, I personally find them pernicious and responsible for the tragedy before all of humanity but anything that can be done now to address the results of this appalling ignorance, hardly limited to the inability to distinguish between the units the Watt and the Joule, will surely be too little, too late.
History will not forgive us, nor should it.