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10. I've been in the power supply planning and superintendant of operational planning of an electric utility for many years
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 08:03 PM
Dec 2023

THE POWER CAPACITY IS JUST AS IMPORTANT..

From what I've seen looking at Lithium-ion utility scale batteries, the only ones I've seen in articles that give both the power and energy capacities is that they are all (that I've seen) designed to deliver 4 hours at their maximum capacity, or more hours at reduced capacity. Perhaps that's just an industry design standard, but that's all I've seen. One can just as accurately say their cost is proportional to their power rating.

When a power plant trips offline, the amount of MW that can be quickly ramped up is the more important factor to stabilizing the system. Usually we're talking seconds or minutes. That the batteries can deliver 4 hours of this is moot for system disturbances like these. Whereas for long wind/solar droughts, then both are important.



K&R Think. Again. Dec 2023 #1
The Texas legislature and no doubt the governor are not happy about this woke power stuff progree Dec 2023 #2
The condundrum that renewable energy hating Texas politicians find themselves in... Finishline42 Dec 2023 #3
Batteries store eneregy, not power. Progressive dog Dec 2023 #5
They deliver their rated power for a few hours, typically 4 hours or so from articles I've read progree Dec 2023 #6
The bttery cost is approximately proportional to Progressive dog Dec 2023 #7
The power rating is also important. A battery could store a gazillion GWH of energy, but if it can only deliver progree Dec 2023 #8
It takes exactly the same amount Progressive dog Dec 2023 #9
I've been in the power supply planning and superintendant of operational planning of an electric utility for many years progree Dec 2023 #10
Battery back up is not for minute long outages. Progressive dog Dec 2023 #11
No, but other already online generation (and batteries) can be ramped up (the spinning reserve) . And gas turbines can progree Dec 2023 #12
Texas had an avoidable power failure in 2021 Progressive dog Dec 2023 #14
I'm not claiming that battery backup is a good solution to all power system issues progree Dec 2023 #15
So 24 hours of the shortfall in Germany Progressive dog Dec 2023 #18
Of course Powerwalls specify the energy storage. progree Dec 2023 #20
They cannot say trhat power is equivalent to energy Progressive dog Dec 2023 #17
I never said power is equivalent to energy. I SAID THE POWER RATING OF A BATTERY PACK AND progree Dec 2023 #19
NREL: The Four Phases of Storage Deployment: A Framework for the Expanding Role of Storage in the U.S. Power System OKIsItJustMe Dec 2023 #16
Texas is not going green. hunter Dec 2023 #4
Texas Net Electricity Generation by Source, Jun. 2023 OKIsItJustMe Dec 2023 #13
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