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Think. Again.

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31. Yes, we WILL be screwed...

Reply to NickB79 (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 11, 2023, 07:32 PM

Nov 2023

...if we keep allowing the effort to transition away from fossil fuels to be side-tracked by negative inferences (most likely planted by the fossil fuel industry's PR contractors).

The transition is going to be an extremely complex and long-term effort, made even more complex and slower by the market forces which will have to adapt.

The most important aspect at this point is building public awareness as to why we must make this happen and building public support to overcome all the difficulties we will face in making those efforts successful.

There are solutions to these challenges, and we will find them. But bickering over these challenges when we still haven't even started the process is only going to erode the determination we need to get this happening as quickly as possible.

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We're Going To Have To Cut Down A Lot Of Big Trees To Upgrade The Electric Grid For EVs [View all] NickB79 Nov 2023 OP

Sounds like Big Oil propaganda DoBW Nov 2023 #1

Yeah... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #15

We could try burying those lines. thucythucy Nov 2023 #2

I agree, there's a lot of places where lines can, and should be buried. patphil Nov 2023 #11

Transmission Professionals Group: Overhead vs. Underground Power: Why Do We Use Both Locations? OKIsItJustMe Nov 2023 #30

One wonders then how the Europeans have managed so well thucythucy Nov 2023 #33

Well, the article does not seem to say that suspending the cables is clearly preferable OKIsItJustMe Nov 2023 #34

Going underground... Tikki Nov 2023 #3

Oh, it's more than that. Jirel Nov 2023 #4

My understanding is TX has one of the highest solar and wind KWh rates in the US Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #8

Doesn't have to come from fossil fuels Blues Heron Nov 2023 #9

You do realize... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #16

Well if you look at the math EV's have a lower carbon footprint CentralMass Nov 2023 #17

Did you consider.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #23

I posted this before about a search engine that plants trees depending on your sereaches Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #5

Sold! DoBW Nov 2023 #6

Ever hear of underground power lines? Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #7

Underground is much more expensive to install NickB79 Nov 2023 #12

This article was about the periodic replacement of wood poles Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #13

It's about replacing existing poles with larger poles NickB79 Nov 2023 #19

or other materials to be used. Think. Again. Nov 2023 #24

Sure. Steel could be subbed in NickB79 Nov 2023 #25

Or any other suitable material. Think. Again. Nov 2023 #26

It takes 1.6 tons of ore to yield 1 ton of steel NickB79 Nov 2023 #29

My personal experience with power lines RainCaster Nov 2023 #35

Interesting. Some more info: sl8 Nov 2023 #10

UH-OH!... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #14

If that's all you got from the article NickB79 Nov 2023 #20

It's a false concern.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #22

I for one am quite concerned about harvesting old growth timber NickB79 Nov 2023 #27

Yes, we WILL be screwed... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #31

Let's build a society where people are not forced to own or subsidize cars. hunter Nov 2023 #18

Hear, hear! (nt) CoopersDad Nov 2023 #36

Don't worry, be happy. Clear cut forests make great former wilderness for wind turbine industrial parks. NNadir Nov 2023 #21

we need to do a massive upgrade of our Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #28

Old poles wear out and are being maintained with wraps and underground injections bucolic_frolic Nov 2023 #32