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NickB79

(19,625 posts)
Sat Nov 11, 2023, 09:29 AM Nov 2023

We're Going To Have To Cut Down A Lot Of Big Trees To Upgrade The Electric Grid For EVs [View all]

https://jalopnik.com/were-going-to-have-to-cut-down-a-lot-of-big-trees-to-up-1851007188

Over 120 million wood power poles stand in the United States, literally propping up our aerial wire power grid. Every single day some of these poles age out and need to be replaced, some are damaged by fires, car crashes, or natural forces — wind, woodpeckers, beavers, and rot, chiefly. As we continue to spend more on our aging infrastructure, we’re also leaning on it more than ever to power our lives. Increased electric car adoption, large-scale solar and wind farms, and a $1.2 billion infrastructure bill mean we’re going to need a whole lot more power poles in the near future.

Demand is rising for taller and larger-diameter power poles, which means companies like Koppers are seeking out and cutting down massive old-growth conifers to sate this demand. The old standard 40-foot Class 4 pole is falling out of favor, as power companies jump to install new 45-foot Class 2 poles for a thicker and stronger foundation to their lines. Koppers Vidalia, Georgia plant manager Brad Singleton told the Wall Street Journal, “They don’t know what’s coming next. They want room to add things.”


That is a problem I didn't see coming, to be honest.
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Sounds like Big Oil propaganda DoBW Nov 2023 #1
Yeah... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #15
We could try burying those lines. thucythucy Nov 2023 #2
I agree, there's a lot of places where lines can, and should be buried. patphil Nov 2023 #11
Transmission Professionals Group: Overhead vs. Underground Power: Why Do We Use Both Locations? OKIsItJustMe Nov 2023 #30
One wonders then how the Europeans have managed so well thucythucy Nov 2023 #33
Well, the article does not seem to say that suspending the cables is clearly preferable OKIsItJustMe Nov 2023 #34
Going underground... Tikki Nov 2023 #3
Oh, it's more than that. Jirel Nov 2023 #4
My understanding is TX has one of the highest solar and wind KWh rates in the US Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #8
Doesn't have to come from fossil fuels Blues Heron Nov 2023 #9
You do realize... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #16
Well if you look at the math EV's have a lower carbon footprint CentralMass Nov 2023 #17
Did you consider.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #23
I posted this before about a search engine that plants trees depending on your sereaches Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #5
Sold! DoBW Nov 2023 #6
Ever hear of underground power lines? Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #7
Underground is much more expensive to install NickB79 Nov 2023 #12
This article was about the periodic replacement of wood poles Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #13
It's about replacing existing poles with larger poles NickB79 Nov 2023 #19
or other materials to be used. Think. Again. Nov 2023 #24
Sure. Steel could be subbed in NickB79 Nov 2023 #25
Or any other suitable material. Think. Again. Nov 2023 #26
It takes 1.6 tons of ore to yield 1 ton of steel NickB79 Nov 2023 #29
My personal experience with power lines RainCaster Nov 2023 #35
Interesting. Some more info: sl8 Nov 2023 #10
UH-OH!... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #14
If that's all you got from the article NickB79 Nov 2023 #20
It's a false concern.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #22
I for one am quite concerned about harvesting old growth timber NickB79 Nov 2023 #27
Yes, we WILL be screwed... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #31
Let's build a society where people are not forced to own or subsidize cars. hunter Nov 2023 #18
Hear, hear! (nt) CoopersDad Nov 2023 #36
Don't worry, be happy. Clear cut forests make great former wilderness for wind turbine industrial parks. NNadir Nov 2023 #21
we need to do a massive upgrade of our Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #28
Old poles wear out and are being maintained with wraps and underground injections bucolic_frolic Nov 2023 #32
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