Education

knitter4democracy

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74. That "difficult" class sounds like my typical day.

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:06 AM

Jan 2013

It also sounds a bit racist. Just sayin'.

Think about that experience, though. Think about how social those students were, how many needed to talk through their thinking, how many needed to move around and couldn't (or maybe did anyway). You want to put those kids at computers with dividers so they cannot talk with friends, work with groups, or move around--and you think that will be more effective than a teacher helping them learn in the style they learn best.

That's like using a medium carbon steel for all framing, regardless of load, regardless of stresses, regardless of any other needs the structure has and saying, "Well, it's steel, so it's strong and has the flexibility to work," and ignoring when some of the structures fail.

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Lean Production: Inside the war on public education [View all] HiPointDem Jan 2013 OP

K&R'd. snot Jan 2013 #1

Moderates doing their best to dismantle the social net. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #2

I can't speak for the teacher situation Flatpicker Jan 2013 #3

This kind of shit seems to only happen to poor kids' schools. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #4

Yes, that's all very........coincidental, mbperrin Jan 2013 #9

Thanks, mbperrin, for the historical perspective for how we got to the present situation We People Jan 2013 #17

61 students??? Hissyspit Jan 2013 #5

Sure, for the great unwashed. But at Romney's Cranbrook School, only 12 high schoolers per class.nt SunSeeker Jan 2013 #12

Disgusting. People, students or teachers, are not widgets. I guess it's more likely someone will Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2013 #6

I teach in a school where this sounds quite familiar. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #7

That's certainly descriptive LWolf Jan 2013 #8

Every industry has been effected by technology in the past 40 years. Blanks Jan 2013 #10

Video may be a great way to teach engineers, but not 8 year olds. nt SunSeeker Jan 2013 #11

I see your point. Blanks Jan 2013 #13

Charter schools? I thought you wanted videos replacing teachers. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #15

I appreciate your thoughtful response. Blanks Jan 2013 #18

Cool. Sounds like we're in agreement. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #19

Schools were using computers before the education deformers got started. They were using HiPointDem Jan 2013 #20

The problem that the education industry is going through now... Blanks Jan 2013 #22

The education 'industry'? wtf are you talking about? FYI it's *Khan* academy & the reason HiPointDem Jan 2013 #23

Perhaps referring to a 'field of work' as an industry is a shortcut... Blanks Jan 2013 #24

A definite YES to these two points: Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #27

I'm glad you agree... Blanks Jan 2013 #29

"Bloated" administration? I teach in a large urban high school of 3600+ enrollment. mbperrin Jan 2013 #48

The bloated administration isn't in the building. Blanks Jan 2013 #70

Nah. We've got a superintendent, an assistant super, an athletic director, and a fine arts director, mbperrin Jan 2013 #71

I think the best education reform... Blanks Jan 2013 #79

Your building admins work 14 hours per day? *Fourteen*. Every day. Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #72

Actually, it's more like 6:30 am to 8:30 pm, typically. mbperrin Jan 2013 #75

Sounds Like "The Last Picture Show". Meaning.... Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #76

Ours do. Easily. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #83

Outsiders all too often don't know what they are talking about. duffyduff Jan 2013 #16

I believe educational activity falls within the definition if industry. Blanks Jan 2013 #21

I think you're viewing this inaccurately. savebigbird Jan 2013 #25

I recognize that teachers are professionals... Blanks Jan 2013 #31

Would your wife's client tell her HOW to achieve savebigbird Jan 2013 #36

Yes, they try to direct the approach... Blanks Jan 2013 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author savebigbird Jan 2013 #49

"Customer service" implies catering to the clients, even if they are wrong. madfloridian Jan 2013 #47

I agree. Blanks Jan 2013 #80

It's not about database tracking. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #26

There is no doubt that certain subjects require... Blanks Jan 2013 #28

I think your availaility bias is showing. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #30

Teachers don't lecture anymore. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #32

Lecturing went out a couple of decades ago eh? Blanks Jan 2013 #33

Well, I didn't make the decision to stop lecturing. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #34

I'm not sure what's more discouraging about this... Blanks Jan 2013 #35

I'm not making anything up. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #38

Lets review. Blanks Jan 2013 #39

Happy to find out that civil engineering is so perfected that we no longer have mbperrin Jan 2013 #50

Just sayin, you rock! knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #55

It sounds like you are a very well qualified educator. Blanks Jan 2013 #64

Not to be disrespectful but, seriously, your availability bias is showing again. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #54

I wish I could accept your challenge. Blanks Jan 2013 #63

I'm the non-engineer in the family. I know and understand that. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #73

I'm not going to go back over why I'm not fighting to get the school to do their job. Blanks Jan 2013 #78

Parents of high-needs students do have responsibilities. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #81

I found your description of your visit to a classroom funny. Not sure where that school was, HiPointDem Jan 2013 #60

I visited probably 30 different classrooms... Blanks Jan 2013 #62

and the teacher you are purporting to educate *lives in* an urban classroom every fucking HiPointDem Jan 2013 #66

Again, I'm not purporting to educate anyone... Blanks Jan 2013 #68

That "difficult" class sounds like my typical day. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #74

I'm aware that it sounds racist. Blanks Jan 2013 #77

Those studies already exist and don't need to be duplicated. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #82

Hey... proud2BlibKansan... You've Met These Guys Before... WillyT Jan 2013 #42

And they are the first ones to complain proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #43

Here's My Solution... WillyT Jan 2013 #44

Education has changed considerably since your brother was in school... savebigbird Jan 2013 #37

Schools already use labs (computer, audio, video) for various purposes, & one is for individualized HiPointDem Jan 2013 #45

The number 200 was arbitrarily chosen. Blanks Jan 2013 #46

Why an attorney would not know that every state has procedures of appeal mbperrin Jan 2013 #51

She is aware of the law. Blanks Jan 2013 #65

Well, I'm sorry that the district there is so disorganized and unhelpful. mbperrin Jan 2013 #67

Thanks for your kind words. eom Blanks Jan 2013 #69

Spam deleted by Ms. Toad (MIR Team) gophatercali1955g Jan 2013 #86

What is enraging me is that she's coming home bruised. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #84

So do I, thanks for your support. eom Blanks Jan 2013 #85

I'm so tired of the "dumb teacher" canard. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #56

One of the mistakes about this is that identifying "where they need to fix it & where the patrice Jan 2013 #53

This. All kinds of this. knitter4democracy Jan 2013 #57

It's Taylorization of education. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #14

K&R. Thanks! Sharing with colleagues. Riley18 Jan 2013 #40

This is also going on in IT; watch for more and more beta being placed in production. The key to patrice Jan 2013 #52

+1. that's the point; the speed-up goes on in every industry, not just blue-collar manufacturing. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #58

So the projection is for more done by fewer, faster, & for less @ hr. Ergo, the main solution, patrice Jan 2013 #59

I don't know if they can be stopped. But the direction we're going leads toward the abandonment HiPointDem Jan 2013 #61