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HiPointDem

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43. of course people lie by implying.
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 09:14 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Tue Oct 16, 2012, 10:04 PM - Edit history (4)

"I grew up in public housing in Queens and grew up in the streets of New York. I always like to think of myself as a kid from the streets, and education changed my life. … I stood on the shoulders of teachers to see a world that I couldn’t have seen growing up in the family that I grew up in.

My father had dropped out of high school in the tenth grade during the Great Depression. My mother graduated from high school and never went to college. No one in my family had attended college … or knew about college. I had no appreciation of reading or cultural activities. …

By most people’s lights, we were certainly working-class, poor. … I grew up in a pretty unhappy household. …Teachers set expectations for me that were not commensurate with my background or my family’s income.

Nobody in [my] school said to me, ‘Well, you grew up in public housing, your parents don’t read, you’ve never been to a museum, so we shouldn’t expect too much from you!’ … I wanted to play ball, I had a girlfriend at the time. I thought school was OK, a little overrated but I thought it was OK. … Mr. Harris, my physics teacher at William Cullen Bryant High School, saw something that I hadn’t seen in myself. … I realized, through him, that the potential of students in inner-city schools is too often untapped. We can fix that. Demography need not be destiny."


http://prospect.org/article/joel-kleins-misleading-autobiography


1. His family made above median income.

2. The public housing he lived in was for middle-class families. The Housing Authority specifically excluded below-poverty tenants, single-mothers, anyone who'd had trouble with the law, etc. Tenants paid market rates, and rents weren't subsidized. It was about 88% white.

3. His parents obviously could read. His father passed a civil-service exam to work for the post office. His mother was an accountant.

4. His parents obviously valued education. His father took him to court to watch the cases, for example.

5. He was an honor student & student leader throughout his junior-high & high-school years. He graduated from high school at 16 because he'd been admitted to a special accelerated program (the article is written by someone in the same program who went to school with him).

He impugns the memory of his dead parents when he implies they raised him in a tenement, they couldn't read, they didn't value education, they didn't know what college was, he was raised 'on the streets', and his success in life is due to a random physics teacher who 'saw something in him he hadn't seen."

He's a big fat liar. He was a middle-class jewish boy living in a middle-class jewish/italian neighborhood going to a middle-class high-school school.



Among his classmates at WC Bryant HS:

Suze Rotolo (1943–2011), an American artist, book artist, author, but best known as Bob Dylan's girlfriend between 1961 and 1964. She is the woman walking with him on the cover of his album The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan.

Richard Kline (1944– ), played "Larry Dallas" on classic ABC-TV sitcom "Three's Company". He also performed on Broadway in "City of Angels" and is a member of the Lincoln Center Repertory Company.

Joel Klein (1946– ), New York City Department of Education Chancellor from 2002-2011

The person who wrote the article is also jewish and grew up in astoria in the same social milieu klein did:

In misrepresenting his childhood, Klein has distorted the world of both our fathers. Mine, already out of high school and at City College of New York when the Great Depression hit, was also fortunate to land a job in the post office, working second jobs at night. Permanently traumatized by the insecurity of the Depression, he remained unhappily in the federal civil service so he, like Charles Klein, could see his children through college, after which he was rewarded, also like the elder Klein, with a secure federal pension. My mother, like Klein’s, was a bookkeeper.

I never lived in public housing, but my parents’ small single-family home in a white Queens neighborhood not far from Woodside had monthly mortgage payments about the same as the rent Charles and Claire Klein paid to the Housing Authority. Our family income was similar to the Kleins’; both families were middle-class.

At Bayside High School, I also had Sidney Harris for physics. (After I graduated, he transferred to Bryant.) I don’t doubt that he was an excellent teacher and inspired Klein, but he did nothing similar for me. I was instead motivated by my Latin and journalism teachers. Like the 1963 yearbook at Bryant High School, my 1959 Bayside yearbook has few black faces. Klein and I both attended almost entirely segregated, white schools.

Children like Klein and me were privileged, not perhaps in money but in what sociologists term “social capital.” Nobody I know of from my special-progress class dropped out of school; my fellow students typically went on to become college professors, doctors, business executives, accountants, writers, and lawyers. Sure, we loved to play street stickball, but we were not “kids from the streets,” as Klein would have it. We were surrounded by peers with middle-class ambitions and goals.

It would be obscene for me to claim I overcame severe hardship and was rescued from deprivation by schoolteachers. It is more obscene for Klein to do so, because his claim supports attacks on contemporary teachers and a refusal to acknowledge impediments teachers face because of their students’ social and economic deprivation.

It’s a deprivation that he never suffered but that many children from public housing do today.

http://prospect.org/article/joel-kleins-misleading-autobiography

another wc bryant graduate of roughly the same period:



Susan Anspach (born November 23, 1942) is an American stage and film actress.

Anspach was born in New York City and was raised in Queens, New York. She graduated from William Cullen Bryant High School in Long Island City in 1960. Paul Simon was a neighbor. She enrolled in the music department at the Catholic University of America....



students in library at william cullen bryant high school, 1955

http://livelovelaughcreate.com/ebay/JM-1015B-THUR_(125).JPG

wc bryant HS commencement program, 1958



sidney harris, the teacher who supposedly turned klein from the 'street life'


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Public housing 60 years ago was built for returning war veterans and their family.. no_hypocrisy Oct 2012 #1
E.g.; Swifton Village here in Cincinnati... liam_laddie Oct 2012 #2
Doing hair. Squinch Oct 2012 #3
Superb 12AngryBorneoWildmen Oct 2012 #4
So long as wealthy, sulphurdunn Oct 2012 #5
WOW! Where did THAT come from?? George II Oct 2012 #11
Read the article and sulphurdunn Oct 2012 #12
How far??? VERY far if you ask me..... George II Oct 2012 #13
You are a very rude sulphurdunn Oct 2012 #16
You are a teacher? George II Oct 2012 #17
Even more frightening sulphurdunn Oct 2012 #18
"Public housing projects" were created in 1933 during the Roosevelt Administration.... George II Oct 2012 #6
The point of the post is clearly that not all public housing was "the projects" starroute Oct 2012 #7
Public housing in NYC (I grew up in Brooklyn too - was born only 2 years after he was).... George II Oct 2012 #8
He grew up in Woodside Houses in Astoria, Queens starroute Oct 2012 #9
try reading the article HiPointDem Oct 2012 #20
I have read the article, more than once now......... George II Oct 2012 #33
you didn't read the article. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #35
Whatever.. George II Oct 2012 #38
not only does he lie by implying woodside houses = 'the projects,' he impugns his parents' memory HiPointDem Oct 2012 #41
People don't "lie" by "implying" - it's in the hands and minds of the listener or reader....... George II Oct 2012 #42
of course people lie by implying. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #43
Final word on this since I'm butting up against a brick wall........ George II Oct 2012 #44
oh baloney. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #45
Why? Because what is being said about him in the sweeping proclamations about him is....... George II Oct 2012 #46
weren't you going away? wasn't that your last post? take it up with the writer, who grew up HiPointDem Oct 2012 #47
All you say about those disqualifying factors and and "filters" had been abandoned by 1955...... George II Oct 2012 #48
take it up with the writer. you're the one with no material facts. you've posted nothing but HiPointDem Oct 2012 #49
I read the words the way they were written, not how I want them to be written, as you've done. George II Oct 2012 #50
the fact is that the public housing project klein lived in was neither a low-income 'project' nor HiPointDem Oct 2012 #19
And, as Klein grew up in New York City, elleng Oct 2012 #10
And what is the most important component of those excellent schools? GOOD teachers. George II Oct 2012 #14
Yes AND elleng Oct 2012 #15
impossible to keep politics out of education. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #23
Hence kept my kids out of public schools (in DC.) elleng Oct 2012 #26
impossible to keep politics out of *any* kind of education -- private, public, religious, etc. all HiPointDem Oct 2012 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author HiPointDem Oct 2012 #22
*how* was it different? HiPointDem Oct 2012 #21
Well, as I was a kid at the time, elleng Oct 2012 #24
i'm not clear on what you mean by politics, as in 'how to,' testing, etc. could you give an HiPointDem Oct 2012 #25
Doubt it; used to be up to 'professional' educators, imo. elleng Oct 2012 #27
if you could give me an example of what you mean. there's always been an intersection of HiPointDem Oct 2012 #28
Not my impression, elleng Oct 2012 #30
so your decision to opt out of public schools was actually decades ago, maybe circa 1970s or 80s? HiPointDem Oct 2012 #31
'Opted out' in 1988, when daughter old enough for pre-k. elleng Oct 2012 #32
just unclear on what you mean by politics. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #36
Parochial schools? George II Oct 2012 #34
Holy Trinity school in DC, elleng Oct 2012 #37
Interesting. I won't dispute it but... George II Oct 2012 #39
Those were part of deciding whether or not to opt out of sex-ed. elleng Oct 2012 #40
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