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Sat Jul 3, 2021, 12:32 PM Jul 2021

What Peter Thiel's Roth IRA Means for Yours [View all]

Large Roth IRAs owned by the superrich are in the tax spotlight now, and all savers should consider the implications for their own retirement accounts. Recently, the investigative site ProPublica published a new article in its series contending the wealthiest Americans don’t pay their fair share of taxes, based on IRS data it says it obtained. The story claimed some wealthy Americans have multimillion- or even billion-dollar, tax-advantaged retirement-savings accounts. The largest one cited was a Roth IRA with $5 billion in assets (as of 2019) belonging to PayPal founder and investor Peter Thiel.

How could a Roth IRA be that large? Savers with Roth IRAs make contributions to these accounts with after-tax dollars, and funds in them can grow tax-free with no required payouts during the original owner’s life. If someone can put very low-cost, very high-growth assets into a Roth IRA—as Mr. Thiel is said to have done with investments including PayPal shares costing less than a penny each—then federal taxes on transactions and growth in the account can be nil. Withdrawals are often tax-free as well.

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The new focus on IRA limits raises questions about saving strategies for everyone, not just the superrich. Many financial planners are urging clients to convert traditional IRA assets into Roth IRAs. The idea is to position for possible higher tax rates down the road either from a law change or asset growth, although the switch means accelerating tax bills.

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With Roth IRAs, there’s also a key budget issue: Contributions are in after-tax dollars. So when a worker contributes to a Roth account or someone converts assets from a traditional IRA into a Roth IRA, Uncle Sam receives revenue. But the costs of a Roth IRA’s tax-free growth and withdrawals often fall outside the 10-year period Congress uses when making budgets. What will happen is unclear, but a number of existing proposals would impose limits on IRAs, mostly large Roth IRAs. If changes don’t pass soon, they might re-emerge in the future.

Restrict account size

In 2016 and again recently, Sen. Wyden proposed disallowing contributions to Roth IRA accounts once they reach $5 million of assets. His aim: to stem the government subsidy of “mega Roths.”

Force withdrawals

Sen. Wyden’s proposals would also force payouts from Roth IRAs exceeding the $5 million limit. One rule would require half the excess amount in the Roth IRA to be paid out each year. So if someone has a $6 million Roth IRA, the required payout would be $500,000. These payouts would likely be tax-free.

End Roth IRA conversions

Sen. Wyden has also proposed to end savers’ ability to transfer assets from traditional IRAs into Roth IRAs, paying ordinary income-tax rates on the conversion. Until 2010, such conversions were only allowed for taxpayers with $100,000 of income or less. Currently, there is no income threshold. Ending or restricting Roth conversions could cost the government revenue, depending on details.

Crack down on alternative-asset IRAs

Current law allows both traditional IRAs and Roth IRAs to be invested in a wide variety of assets, including real estate, nonpublic stock, cryptocurrency or a sports franchise. (Collectibles such as rugs or gems aren’t allowed.) Critics suspect abuses in this area and say the IRS hasn’t had resources to pursue them. Abuses could involve undervaluations of assets like nonpublic stock, or self-dealing—such as having an IRA hold a rental house on the beach and then using it oneself. Sen. Wyden’s proposals seek to ensure the contributions of these assets are at fair-market value and subject to qualified appraisals.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-peter-thiels-roth-ira-means-for-yours-11625218209 (subscription)





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