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55. Sometimes it is not tax fraud. They just don't know any better. I work for the IRS and I see it
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:39 AM
Feb 2014

everyday. And a lot of the time it is preparer fraud. Some preparers put anything down on a tax form trying to get more of a refund. I am working with someone right now who's preparer told him to file single and claim the dependents since his wife was a victim of ID theft it would take too long to get his refund. She then stated he would file the 1040X, add the wife and get the rest of the refund. Long story, short, the preparer did not want to wait for her preparation fee so she advised taxpayer to file a fraudulent return. His refund has been sitting and not processing close to a year now because of that little bit of nonsense.

Another preparer (not the same one) advised a kid who works at a convenience store to claim all of his mileage to and from work and all meals he ate while at work. The unreimbursed work expenses totaled more than $3,000.00 more than he made that year! He also claimed his girlfriend's child as a dependent, tuition tax credit (he didn't go to school) and real estate mortgage interest and taxes although he lives at home with him mother and doesn't own anything. Had him all ready to receive a $9,000.00 refund and was very disappointed when he realized it wasn't coming.

There are thousands of great preparers out there but there are a lot of fraudulent ones who have gotten away with this in the past. And there are plenty of fraudulent filers who just want to milk the system. But I have found - on a daily basis - more taxpayers want to be compliant, pay the tax that is due and want their refunds.

Computer records and cross checks are making it much harder to file a bad return but the result is thousands and thousands of returns reject and sit on a desk waiting for an employee to slowly dig through the pile trying to verify, correspond with the taxpayer, get corrected returns, etc., etc, etc,. And due to the scope of the problem it just snowballs.

The IRS has been hit for the third straight year of significant budget cuts (including furloughs), they are not back filling positions when people retire, our workload has exploded and our resources are much more limited. The IRS is no longer assisting low income people with preparing their returns, they can't, they don't have the staff. So they are referring them to tax clinics, AARP, VITA sites. Unfortunately a lot of them will end up at a fly-by-night preparer who files the return, charges an outrageous fees (I've seen charges of over $500.00 for a 1040EZ!) gets the refund deposited into their bank account and close down for the year and disappear if there is a problem. There were over 600,000 known cases of stolen ID last year alone. Only about 60% of phone calls going to the IRS toll-free help lines are answered due to the call volume and it is getting worse.

And one final piece of advise - every single taxpayer signs their return - the jurat - under penalties of perjury that their return is true and accurate. It doesn't matter if it was electronically filed, paper return, it is the taxpayers neck that is on the line if there is any funny business going on. Don't blindly sign anything put before you, go over it, ask questions and if something looks questionable - don't sign and submit until you verify. And DON'T SUBMIT your return more than once if it is accepted. This automatically kicks it out and puts it in a limbo hell - the computer sees two returns and bam, they are gone - both of them.

Edit to add link - Pub 17 is a great resource - http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p17.pdf

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Yeah, I see it all the time that a married couple wants to file single itsrobert Feb 2014 #1
That's not quite the message what I wanted to convey. imthevicar Feb 2014 #2
I thought I could add to the discussion itsrobert Feb 2014 #3
Used to be you could file separate tax returns if you both Cleita Feb 2014 #6
If you are married you have to say so. pangaia Feb 2014 #8
Yep. Helen Borg Feb 2014 #28
Not in Texas TexasProgresive Feb 2014 #38
Yes, that category is "Married, filing separate" itsrobert Feb 2014 #9
He probably was confused as to terms. Cleita Feb 2014 #22
I'm not understanding 'exactly what they are trying to do.' QuestForSense Feb 2014 #27
That Was My First Thought Too DallasNE Feb 2014 #34
lol. jtuck004 Feb 2014 #10
Thank You! imthevicar Feb 2014 #41
Didn't get the memo? All you need is a D next to your name on the ballot. gLibDem Feb 2014 #45
>disappeared from the site.< Please let me refer you to Eleanor Roosevelt, one of my teachers. jtuck004 Feb 2014 #52
They hate it when imthevicar Feb 2014 #64
I know. But what "they" (and that's any group) don't attach enough jtuck004 Feb 2014 #66
I thought they were called, imthevicar Feb 2014 #67
Oh, great! busterbrown Feb 2014 #13
Is that an excuse to commit tax fruad? itsrobert Feb 2014 #16
I’m saying freaking right wing “Supply Side Economics” has screwed this country.. busterbrown Feb 2014 #18
Of course they can file separetly itsrobert Feb 2014 #19
So you are still conflating someone who makes $10 an hr. who commits fraud to.. busterbrown Feb 2014 #21
Not sure of the question itsrobert Feb 2014 #24
Just mis- reading ... busterbrown Feb 2014 #37
Sometimes it is not tax fraud. They just don't know any better. I work for the IRS and I see it Democrat 4 Ever Feb 2014 #55
My Wife uses PUB 17 as lite reading. imthevicar Feb 2014 #65
Yes - the money KT2000 Feb 2014 #4
I got your message. beemer27 Feb 2014 #5
Milton Friedman economics used to be considered fringe crazy but it Cleita Feb 2014 #7
Massive Failure?... I don't think so. bvar22 Feb 2014 #20
I thought I said that. It benefits the 1%. Otherwise it has Cleita Feb 2014 #23
You did. bvar22 Feb 2014 #29
We must focus on the destructive nature Enthusiast Feb 2014 #56
Used to be fringe crazy, now mainstream with right wing leadership in both parties. nt bananas Feb 2014 #53
But you see, government IS the problem. St. Ronnie told us so. And a lot of ten maddiemom Feb 2014 #26
Privatize jamejest Feb 2014 #11
+1 a whole bunch. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #57
I just had this discussion with a guy complaining about union DPW.. Historic NY Feb 2014 #12
Privitization (9 times out of 10) is a disaster. n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #14
The message is? bleedinglib Feb 2014 #15
It always breaks my heart to see someone in their 50s or even sixties... Walk away Feb 2014 #17
I'm watching a construction crew build a house in what was once a pasture Cleita Feb 2014 #25
I used to work part-time retail for nearly twenty years. We would go out to the stock room to maddiemom Feb 2014 #32
My Dad, who was an economist, took a part time job when he retired. Walk away Feb 2014 #33
I remember too. Your post tells many stories. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #58
Just wait until they perfect the bots. :-| K&R n/t DeSwiss Feb 2014 #30
I wonder how Conservatives will convince..... Notafraidtoo Feb 2014 #42
Its so sad Winning1 Feb 2014 #50
An excellent post; you laid it out very nicely. QuestForSense Feb 2014 #31
And Rham is one of the very worst of the corporatists. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #60
Towns across America have given away they're valuable recyclable material and resources. go west young man Feb 2014 #35
Or Tony Soprano's legitimate profession? "Waste Management"? maddiemom Feb 2014 #51
I've seen this in action working payroll for a subcontractor. bravenak Feb 2014 #36
And your sometimes conservative wife EC Feb 2014 #39
Let me say on her behalf, She has a good heart and I love and respect her dearly. imthevicar Feb 2014 #43
Accepting reality is the only cure for Conservatism nikto Feb 2014 #46
Thank you for laying out... liberalmuse Feb 2014 #40
Gay marriage? greymattermom Feb 2014 #44
Can we spell C-O-R-R-U-P-T-I-O-N? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #47
I would like to know Enthusiast Feb 2014 #61
Reminds me of the story of West Virginia American Water Company Lasher Feb 2014 #48
There is always an ulterior motive Enthusiast Feb 2014 #62
K & R. Fk privatization and its proponents. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #49
+ one! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #63
K & R ctsnowman Feb 2014 #54
The push for privatization and the idea that government should be run abelenkpe Feb 2014 #59
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