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12. I just had this discussion with a guy complaining about union DPW..
Sat Feb 8, 2014, 01:01 PM
Feb 2014

workers in a small village. Apparently he is the part time Johnnie come lately. He thought the village should hire out the DPW work so he could get some more hours working there in another dept...(he is tea bagger material). They village apparently cut the pt employees in favor of not letting full timers go. When I explained it happened in our town, thats why the water dept doesn't fix leaks, the sewer dept doesn't clean the sewers, that private landscape companies mow grass. Its not necessarily cheaper for the town, yeah they might not be paying benefits but they are paying. There really isn't any incentive on the part of the contract employess in doing the job and there is usally high turn overs as the company contracting tries to squeeze more money from the town. They seem to think it costs less. Funny that some of the long time guys were rehired by the contractor all while collecting pensions or retired benefits. The town still must maintain some equipment & facilities. In the end privatization takes away, some civil service jobs. It replaces those jobs with lower paying salaries and revolving the door. Some loss of service and less say by the taxpayers in how the service is to be handled. Local jobs go away for the long term. The greatest loss experienced in my town has been "institutional knowledge", a hundred years or more of water & sewer plant systems and stuff that maps don't show. Privatization always costs in the end.

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Yeah, I see it all the time that a married couple wants to file single itsrobert Feb 2014 #1
That's not quite the message what I wanted to convey. imthevicar Feb 2014 #2
I thought I could add to the discussion itsrobert Feb 2014 #3
Used to be you could file separate tax returns if you both Cleita Feb 2014 #6
If you are married you have to say so. pangaia Feb 2014 #8
Yep. Helen Borg Feb 2014 #28
Not in Texas TexasProgresive Feb 2014 #38
Yes, that category is "Married, filing separate" itsrobert Feb 2014 #9
He probably was confused as to terms. Cleita Feb 2014 #22
I'm not understanding 'exactly what they are trying to do.' QuestForSense Feb 2014 #27
That Was My First Thought Too DallasNE Feb 2014 #34
lol. jtuck004 Feb 2014 #10
Thank You! imthevicar Feb 2014 #41
Didn't get the memo? All you need is a D next to your name on the ballot. gLibDem Feb 2014 #45
>disappeared from the site.< Please let me refer you to Eleanor Roosevelt, one of my teachers. jtuck004 Feb 2014 #52
They hate it when imthevicar Feb 2014 #64
I know. But what "they" (and that's any group) don't attach enough jtuck004 Feb 2014 #66
I thought they were called, imthevicar Feb 2014 #67
Oh, great! busterbrown Feb 2014 #13
Is that an excuse to commit tax fruad? itsrobert Feb 2014 #16
I’m saying freaking right wing “Supply Side Economics” has screwed this country.. busterbrown Feb 2014 #18
Of course they can file separetly itsrobert Feb 2014 #19
So you are still conflating someone who makes $10 an hr. who commits fraud to.. busterbrown Feb 2014 #21
Not sure of the question itsrobert Feb 2014 #24
Just mis- reading ... busterbrown Feb 2014 #37
Sometimes it is not tax fraud. They just don't know any better. I work for the IRS and I see it Democrat 4 Ever Feb 2014 #55
My Wife uses PUB 17 as lite reading. imthevicar Feb 2014 #65
Yes - the money KT2000 Feb 2014 #4
I got your message. beemer27 Feb 2014 #5
Milton Friedman economics used to be considered fringe crazy but it Cleita Feb 2014 #7
Massive Failure?... I don't think so. bvar22 Feb 2014 #20
I thought I said that. It benefits the 1%. Otherwise it has Cleita Feb 2014 #23
You did. bvar22 Feb 2014 #29
We must focus on the destructive nature Enthusiast Feb 2014 #56
Used to be fringe crazy, now mainstream with right wing leadership in both parties. nt bananas Feb 2014 #53
But you see, government IS the problem. St. Ronnie told us so. And a lot of ten maddiemom Feb 2014 #26
Privatize jamejest Feb 2014 #11
+1 a whole bunch. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #57
I just had this discussion with a guy complaining about union DPW.. Historic NY Feb 2014 #12
Privitization (9 times out of 10) is a disaster. n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #14
The message is? bleedinglib Feb 2014 #15
It always breaks my heart to see someone in their 50s or even sixties... Walk away Feb 2014 #17
I'm watching a construction crew build a house in what was once a pasture Cleita Feb 2014 #25
I used to work part-time retail for nearly twenty years. We would go out to the stock room to maddiemom Feb 2014 #32
My Dad, who was an economist, took a part time job when he retired. Walk away Feb 2014 #33
I remember too. Your post tells many stories. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #58
Just wait until they perfect the bots. :-| K&R n/t DeSwiss Feb 2014 #30
I wonder how Conservatives will convince..... Notafraidtoo Feb 2014 #42
Its so sad Winning1 Feb 2014 #50
An excellent post; you laid it out very nicely. QuestForSense Feb 2014 #31
And Rham is one of the very worst of the corporatists. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #60
Towns across America have given away they're valuable recyclable material and resources. go west young man Feb 2014 #35
Or Tony Soprano's legitimate profession? "Waste Management"? maddiemom Feb 2014 #51
I've seen this in action working payroll for a subcontractor. bravenak Feb 2014 #36
And your sometimes conservative wife EC Feb 2014 #39
Let me say on her behalf, She has a good heart and I love and respect her dearly. imthevicar Feb 2014 #43
Accepting reality is the only cure for Conservatism nikto Feb 2014 #46
Thank you for laying out... liberalmuse Feb 2014 #40
Gay marriage? greymattermom Feb 2014 #44
Can we spell C-O-R-R-U-P-T-I-O-N? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #47
I would like to know Enthusiast Feb 2014 #61
Reminds me of the story of West Virginia American Water Company Lasher Feb 2014 #48
There is always an ulterior motive Enthusiast Feb 2014 #62
K & R. Fk privatization and its proponents. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #49
+ one! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #63
K & R ctsnowman Feb 2014 #54
The push for privatization and the idea that government should be run abelenkpe Feb 2014 #59
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