Let's talk about "Coercive Sex".

[Bonobo]

How do you define "coercive sex"? MY answer is that that is rape or sexual assault. It is NOT "pressuring" or "trying to convince".

A redefinition is taking place by some to try to redefine "persuasion" (even "romantic" persuasion) as "coercion".

Have a look at this definition of rape. It involves the concept of "consent" at its core.

http://www.clarku.edu/offices/dos/survivorguide/definition.cfm

Rape / Sexual Assault
Although the legal definition of rape varies from state to state, rape is generally defined as forced or nonconsensual sexual contact.

So what happens when the concept of "consent" is removed from the equation and we now create the crime of "pressure"? Are we now going down the road to criminalizing behavior that is not criminal? That is merely something to be negotiated within the boundaries of individual relationships?

"Why do men think "no" means "try harder?" --perhaps a better question would be "why do some women think that giving consent does not mean "consensual". It is no accident that the word "consent" and "consensual" sounds the same. They mean the same thing. We cannot now pretend that if some pressure (whether that is giving flowers, pleading or whatever) is perceived that that means the power of agency has been taken away from women. To do so would be to reduce the minimize of rape itself. Consent is consent is consent. Words have meanings that are indivisible.

The only relevant question it seems to me is do women have the authority and agency to make their own decisions and take responsibility for them? If they do, then their is no need to patronize them by pretending that they lack the ability to own their own consent.

Have a look at this link:
http://www.xojane.com/issues/i-am-going-to-dropkick-the-next-dudebro-who-tells-me-coercive-sex-is-consenting-sex

Does she think that "dudebros" have some kind of magical power, like Saruman, to take away the will of women? Are men THAT powerful and women THAT weak? Should "persuasion" be the next definition of "aggression" and "coercion"?