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Bonobo

(29,257 posts) Wed Feb 20, 2013, 02:22 AM Feb 2013

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I wonder if the mechanism for radical feminist over-the-top rhetoric works something like that? Or maybe it is like Natural Selection. That which survives, thrives.

Basically I am thinking that it may be like this.

Over-the-top rhetoric incites angry retorts which then fuel the "proof" that there is anti-feminism (which they equate, of course, with sexism.)

Naturally true sexism exists, but I think that all too often, the rad fems incite angry responses which are then used as fuel to keep going:

"See? See? THAT is the Patriarchy kickback!!".

Something like that. Please understand I am not talking of feminism in the broader sense at all (which I support completely) but rather the offensive, antagonistic radical sub-variety.

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Just as police need crime, dentists need cavities and firemen need fires... [View all] Bonobo Feb 2013 OP

Feminism as an academic TM99 Feb 2013 #1

Post-modernism rejects the structuralism of Marxism BainsBane Mar 2013 #17

Most academic socio-political TM99 Mar 2013 #18

. . . BainsBane Mar 2013 #19

I should state clearly up front TM99 Mar 2013 #20

I used the term academic too broadly BainsBane Mar 2013 #21

Understood. TM99 Mar 2013 #22

Some people, confusingly enough, just aren't happy unless they're complaining about something. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #2

yup complaining is a hobby and vocation for some loli phabay Feb 2013 #6

Sometimes i have a problem with those that who like to complain a lot nolabels Mar 2013 #8

Blame. Victim. N.T. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #3

"Incite", not "insight". The rest of this post is dumb too. Scuba Feb 2013 #4

Yes, incite. Bonobo Feb 2013 #5

I am kicking this in light of the recent hullabaloo. Bonobo Mar 2013 #7

In the last year, I have come to the conclusion that the "red pill solution" is passage of the ERA. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #9

good gawd. Whisp Mar 2013 #10

honestly BainsBane Mar 2013 #25

This post was alerted on! The jury voted 4/2 to let it stand. ohiosmith Mar 2013 #11

What "crazy-ass contingent" BainsBane Mar 2013 #24

I find the rad fems to be strikingly similar to the tea party Gore1FL Mar 2013 #12

Both..by appealing to a select unbending fringe.. Upton Mar 2013 #13

and how about them rad masculinists Whisp Mar 2013 #15

Thanks for thinking we're cute... Upton Mar 2013 #23

They certainly managed to divide themselves to the detriment of their own movement Major Nikon Mar 2013 #27

Money. nt rrneck Mar 2013 #14

My observations are that its not just one group of people that this could apply to. HuskiesHowls Mar 2013 #16

All social movements require an opposition. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #26

So do all boxers, race-car drivers and scrabble players. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #28

Exactly. I don't really see the point of your OP, I guess. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #29

The point is that the two feed off each other. Bonobo Mar 2013 #30

The saying "all men are potential rapists" is not radical. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #31

The interpretation you cite is not germane to the point I am making. Bonobo Mar 2013 #33

The saying is for men to help us understand their point of view. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #35

My being offended or not offended is also not the issue. Bonobo Mar 2013 #36

Why do you think the intent is to offend? nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #37

I think it is kind of obvious. Bonobo Mar 2013 #38

I have always seen the phrase with some explanation, ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #39

Thank you for helping me to explore the issue Bonobo Mar 2013 #41

Thanks! I think we agree more than disagree. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #42

What impression would I give if I said all women are potentially neonaticidal mothers? Major Nikon Mar 2013 #46

If you were talking about the viewpoint of a child who has suffered great abuse ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #48

So all women who say this have been raped? Major Nikon Mar 2013 #49

"So all women who say this have been raped?" ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #50

It's not even within the same ball park Major Nikon Mar 2013 #51

What does the phrase "every man is a potential rapist" mean to you? nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #52

It means inflammatory rhetoric Major Nikon Mar 2013 #53

Well there's the problem. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #54

Perhaps Major Nikon Mar 2013 #55

I agree with that. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #56

If you are making a statement you know is offensive to a large number of people... Major Nikon Mar 2013 #57

I find it intriguing that that "all men are potential rapists" is an important thing to know lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #59

Giving women basic crime prevention tips is belittling because ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #60

Is so, in post #31, why did you say.... Bonobo Mar 2013 #66

That is a fair critique. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #69

Who has said all men are potential rapists? BainsBane Mar 2013 #32

No one is ruining my life. Why would you even say that? Bonobo Mar 2013 #34

seven years ago BainsBane Mar 2013 #40

I think you are misrepresenting me. Bonobo Mar 2013 #43

fair enough BainsBane Mar 2013 #44

Thank you. I just sent you a LONG message so please check your inbox. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #45

2 weeks ago Major Nikon Mar 2013 #47

Exactly? What do race car drivers and scrabble players *need*? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #58

"As a man, you're never going to escape that role." ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #61

There are highly perverse incentives at work here. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #62

I am not sure how donglegate helped that woman. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #63

It was an overplayed hand. The exception proving the rule. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #64

Exceptions don't prove rules, unless the rule is there are always exceptions. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #65

It helped her fulfill her "look at me" "empowerment" needs. Gore1FL Mar 2013 #70

I don't know. I think donglegate is more about the "crusader" mentality. Which is, to my mind, Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #67

I think it's self promotion ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #68

Without adversaries, there's no need for crusaders. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #71

This OP is even truer today than when I first wrote it. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #72

I assume... ElboRuum Mar 2013 #73

Roger that. Gore1FL Mar 2013 #74