I completely agree with an end of the "rally the troops" and attacking other members/the group itself crap; that is just tiresome! However, I feel both groups, being safe havens, should be allowed to discuss this site and its issues as it pertains to each groups' mission statement/SOP. The issue with taking it to Meta is that it is open to everyone, and my feeling, is that is where some of the shit really starts. It is possible to discuss one's feelings without calling out others. When those discussions take place in their respective groups rarely do you have someone come along and say..."prove it! Let's see the posts/posters doing such and such. If you cannot provide them, then no such problem exists!" To me, that is FUCKING ANNOYING. Here, as I imagine in HOF, such accusatory (and, IMO, that is exactly what they are) posts do not, or rarely, happen. It becomes more a discussion about how we are feeling without making it about other people or dragging in dissent. I am all for discussion and dissent, but there are times where a 'friendly' atmosphere is conducive to healing and helping people move on with an issue.
Everything else looks good to me. I think it is a HUGE step in the right direction and will make DU a better place for it. You are all to be commended for taking these actions!
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