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Warren DeMontague

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91. She never said that, and besides, she took it back. You know, the thing she never said.

Fri Nov 2, 2012, 04:07 PM

Nov 2012

Both obvious, and easily disproven falsehoods.

What ACTUALLY happened is people beyond the insular little circle of choir-preach-ees starting deciphering her gibberish, and that of Brownmiller, and MacKinnon, and later Jeffries, etc. and started translating it into English people could actually understand.

At which point, many people who otherwise might have been inclined to take at face value the assertion that Dworkin was a rational "Feminist leader", all of a sudden said "the movement I thought was about equality is really about making men 'give up their precious erections'? Ahh, What The Everlasting Fuck?"

So Dworkin, seemingly aware that he had a PR problem on her hands, eventually attempted to backpedal on or "qualify" some of the crazier shit she had said. But she never actually repudiated it.

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"Seen On DU": Ed Meese Approves of this thread! [View all] Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 OP

as the main protagonist on that threaad i thought throwing this in was a bit banal loli phabay Jul 2012 #1

I hear you. However, this is "seen on du". Its like Ice Road Truckers, but with DU. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #8

Did you notice the original article is like 6 years old? Upton Jul 2012 #2

It's like the Shakers 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #3

sex is fun is the understatement of the millenium. ;) loli phabay Jul 2012 #4

I see you're over there.. Upton Jul 2012 #6

i figure we can all learn from each other. loli phabay Jul 2012 #7

Not for long. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #97

I'm sorry, I still can't get past the burka/bikini cartoon thread ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #5

Here's the best part Major Nikon Jul 2012 #9

Right. It couldnt possibly be that PEOPLE LIKE TO WATCH OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SEX. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #10

I get that there's probably always going to be a nature/nurture debate 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #11

The truly sad part is they are convinced by the weakest of evidence presented by unqualified hacks Major Nikon Jul 2012 #12

I think that's it exactly 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #13

A perfectly accurate and insightful post. hifiguy Jul 2012 #14

natrure/nurture has been solved it's nature AND nurture leftyohiolib Nov 2012 #123

Well yeah, 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #124

Women could put a stop to porn immediately caseymoz Jul 2012 #16

It's known as self objectification under rad-fem "theory" Major Nikon Jul 2012 #17

But that still doesn't affect the fact caseymoz Jul 2012 #18

I think most actual Feminists are focused on things like choice and equal pay Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #19

Haven't seen any surveys. caseymoz Jul 2012 #20

I actually think it's a very small minority that is anti-porn, period. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #21

Well, it isn't going anywhere . . . caseymoz Jul 2012 #22

I think the opposition is very vocal, but very small. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #23

Well, we're not going to agree . . . caseymoz Jul 2012 #24

Hetero Men, you only like looking at naked women because youve been "trained" to! Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #15

Seen On DU™: "Bikinis Make Men See Women As Objects!" Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #25

So; what do you "expect to see" on a Discussion Board like DU? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #26

Chocolates? No, more like "Bertie Botts Every Flavor Beans" lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #27

Seen on DU opiate69 Aug 2012 #28

Yeah, that line of reasoning is pretty fucking nuts, along with Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #29

It's an odd incongruency 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #31

Programming men to be attracted to (children)? caseymoz Sep 2012 #45

I see what you did there. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #98

By that reasoning any woman 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #30

So what about women who like their men shaved? The Doctor. Nov 2012 #95

Women who have that preference don't count.. Upton Nov 2012 #100

Seen on DU: men only support "pussy riot" because we like to say "pussy" Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #32

More: "If the liberal peen is keen, the result can only demean" Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #33

*sigh* ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #34

Silent K&R's to the GOP/Rmoney Anti Porn Platform! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #35

Apparently, men are running around in public, masturbating EVERYWHERE! Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #36

Seen on DU™: Women "Misled By Penis Worship"! Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #37

I saw that.. Upton Sep 2012 #38

Once I saw the Wikipedia article, I understood. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #40

I didn't even know there was a controversy over this until today... Upton Sep 2012 #41

I kind of prefer the fundies 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #43

What's funny is, Dworkin and her devotees "preferred the fundies", too. Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #74

They start from a point of agreement 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #75

Here's the wikipedia article on Female Ejaculation, with several sourced studies dating back to '79 Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #39

Thing I like most about DU3? It's Magnetic! Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #42

Don't know where to begin . . . caseymoz Sep 2012 #44

And, again, looking at a picture of a naked woman is comitting "eyeball rape!" Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #46

Oh, I gotta see that... must have missed it somehow opiate69 Sep 2012 #47

the Liberal Sexist Dude said that. as far as i know, the author was talking male gaze. seabeyond Sep 2012 #48

Yes. He asked if it was "eyeball rape".... opiate69 Sep 2012 #49

The blog you linked to, and I quote: Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #50

Also, looks like he wasn`t the first on her page to use it... opiate69 Sep 2012 #51

"male gaze"..? Upton Sep 2012 #52

It's almost as if some very angry individuals 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #56

You in fact can't read the books from their forbidden list lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #60

Sitting and watching football has been gone after... Upton Sep 2012 #63

Orwellian Newspeak ElboRuum Sep 2012 #65

In short, extreme intellectual dishonesty, yes? opiate69 Sep 2012 #66

Yes, a bit of rhetorical nonsense... ElboRuum Sep 2012 #67

I didn't want to minimize your great post, but I'm glad I got it opiate69 Sep 2012 #68

Most of the terms they use are either rhetorical nonsense or intellectual dishonesty Major Nikon Sep 2012 #72

You forgot self-objectification Major Nikon Sep 2012 #70

You guys overuse the word sexist 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #58

I personally think the problem they have is... opiate69 Sep 2012 #64

In essence that's exactly what sexism is Major Nikon Sep 2012 #73

So now that you've been shown to be factually wrong- again- time for the cricket noise, huh? Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #77

It's back to the clubhouse to take a few cheap shots ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #78

I`ll be holding my breath waiting... opiate69 Sep 2012 #79

I believe you are guilty of "mansplaining" 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #80

"unlike today", it was normal for stone age men & women to show compassion for each other! Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #53

Did you know that neanderthal's buried their mothers in graves with trinkets n' stuff? lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #57

If they'd come to a different conclusion 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #61

I thought that was an interesting article 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #59

That one phrase just stuck out at me like a blinking sore thumb: "unlike today" Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #71

Should she die before me 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #76

Dr Karina Croucher , uni archeologist, says stone age men had feminine side Upton Sep 2012 #54

60% of the work product of universities are women. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #55

In a proper scientific setting 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #62

If I was a conservative troll on a progressive board, I'd have a personna of a rad-fem.... Old and In the Way Sep 2012 #69

Just don't call anyone a "Dworkinite"! Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #81

It's "poignant", brilliant satire! lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #82

Damn you, Jeff... beat me to it! opiate69 Oct 2012 #84

If I run around quoting Marx all day, is it really an insult to call me a Marxist? Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #85

"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll be glad to make an exception." lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #86

Heh. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #87

Rewriting the language is a sign of an unhinged ideology 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #83

Wow, that woman is insane. The Doctor. Nov 2012 #99

Well, I'm certainly glad there is a round condemnation of the foolishness of all PIV intercourse.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #88

They've (almost) all agreed that is an absurd notion 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #89

Their argument is PIV=Rape fanatics were just taken out of context Major Nikon Nov 2012 #90

She never said that, and besides, she took it back. You know, the thing she never said. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #91

The nuanced view of insanity. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #93

And to reinforce the notion that they are in no way supportive of such notions 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #92

It's Romneyesque at this juncture ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #94

What's funny .... The Doctor. Nov 2012 #96

Thanks juror #2! lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #104

The projection of the alerter is what's funny Major Nikon Nov 2012 #105

Civil, eh? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #109

Twisty heads for the hills.. Upton Nov 2012 #101

But without her diligent service how will 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #102

It is a saturated market. You have to be at the top of your game to maintain market share. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #103

Seems to be a contest on who can hate men more Major Nikon Nov 2012 #106

Unfortunately there is plenty of competition 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #107

There's only so many ways you can say the exact same thing over and over. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #108

It's the new country friendly twisty.. Upton Nov 2012 #110

I would imagine that maintaining such a tremendous degree of hate 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #111

Heh. +1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #112

You want some delicious, savory irony? opiate69 Nov 2012 #133

Yeah, it's also one of those pay porn sites that Red State people apparently frequent. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #134

Wouldn't it be fucking hilarious if they were all one in the same? opiate69 Nov 2012 #135

"Throw a rock through their window, and sell them a burglar alarm" Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #136

Seen on DU opiate69 Nov 2012 #113

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzz Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #114

incestuous child molestation is caused by.. Wait for it... "Evo psych"! Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #115

Seriously????? Fuck... Now I have to go look... opiate69 Nov 2012 #116

Another gem fom the house of "you pulled this from where?" assertions. Shall I map it out? Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #117

Have you noticed how disjointed (some people's) writing is? Bonobo Nov 2012 #118

And yet when they write an explanation 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #120

I still don't see why it is MORE offensive... Bonobo Nov 2012 #121

Male privilege means the men are invulnerable 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #126

Well some people feel the need to make such claims 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #119

Close but not quite. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #122

"Political Correctness" is a term MADE UP BY ITS CRITICS, which was never used seriously!!!! Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #125

A real knee slapper that one Major Nikon Nov 2012 #127

There is, 'sadly'--- "No discussion of porn" in the US Political Debate: Um, not true. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #128

Seen on DU: "DU3 Sucks!" opiate69 Nov 2012 #129

Oh, boy, that thread is a piece of work. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #130

No doubt. What's the over/under on their blocked list growing before nightfall? opiate69 Nov 2012 #132

Hello there, Potentially Outraged Person! Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #138

Yep.. And, of course... opiate69 Nov 2012 #140

Are we? Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #142

Youbetcha, donchaknow? opiate69 Nov 2012 #143

I suspect if the data were really broken down, it would be this: Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #131

But if you avoid things you don't like how can you be righteously outraged 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #139

You must have a Costco sized pallet of Advil.. opiate69 Nov 2012 #141

Here's what Bertie had to say about it... Major Nikon Nov 2012 #149

Some won't leave.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #144

Some don't have a choice Major Nikon Nov 2012 #146

Yeah, I'm starting to suspect that's the bottom line. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #148

There's got to be some board out there.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #150

The rest of the world comes later Major Nikon Nov 2012 #145

"First, We Take Manhattan!" Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #147

Ah yes that pesky rape culture that is so common, so powerful, so effective that 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #151

Believe it or not, there are those on DU who actually believe rape is up Major Nikon Nov 2012 #152

I've seen those 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #153

Yes, I heard that Major Nikon Nov 2012 #154

Arguing in defense of Mitt Romney and the GOP Platform Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #137

Here we go again name not needed Nov 2013 #155

One degree of separation Major Nikon Nov 2013 #156

PIV is violent ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #157

Did you hear? 88% of porn contains "aggressive acts" like.. the insertion of a penis in a mouth. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #158

So does "Fuck me!" count as "verbal aggression"? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #159

I think the fact that "spanking" is the #1 "aggressive act" in the study, says it all. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #167

"The more pornography women use, the more likely they are to be victims of non-consensual sex," Major Nikon Nov 2013 #160

Unbelievable. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #161

A jury refused to hide the source and the OP refuses to self-delete Major Nikon Nov 2013 #162

And yet.... opiate69 Nov 2013 #163

Yeah, I'd be trying to change the subject, too. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #164

Deserves its own thread. nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #165

I did give it one with the broader scope of who this person is Major Nikon Nov 2013 #166

The latest embarrassment courtesy of the Strange Bedfellows Institute: Bonobo Dec 2013 #168

A religious right group? Imagine that. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #169

I saw this and thought about replying but then thought better of it Major Nikon Dec 2013 #170

More information on the Meese Commission: Official Inquiry Into The Sex Industry under Reagan, 1986 Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #171

Hmm.. Primarily right-wing religious zealots... opiate69 Dec 2013 #172

is this thread really about some troll that came into an OP of mine. all this was built up from a seabeyond Dec 2013 #173

Are you seriously disputing the Meese Commission wasn't packed with right-wing religious zealots? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #175

Just thought I'd add this link to this thread Old and In the Way Dec 2013 #174

Apparently, I only come on to DU to talk about one thing. Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #176

"Please don't point out our strange bedfellows" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #177