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caseymoz

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21. Who says they're successful?
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 11:29 PM
Sep 2012

Perhaps the greatest number of them are so crippled by it, they aren't. They're either impoverished or imprisoned, but you have a few who become cult leaders, because their delusions follow themes that resonate or are shared by others who are merely delusional. Moreover, the leader's willingness to a lie to get people to believe his or her delusions would play on followers' hopes and fears. A cult leader of this sort grasps that the followers aren't as privileged to share his or her special insights. So, the leader is willing to tell the "white lie" in order to spread "greater truth." However, they may be so inclined to lie that they might do it when there's no calculation involved.

(I want to say that what I write next is hypothetical. It's the way I see Andrea Dworkin and other feminist leaders who seem to have left reality, and the original purpose of their movement, behind. I have no psychology degree, but I do have direct experience.)

This David Koresh "leader" is a bit different than his merely delusional followers, who will spread the lies the leader tells them, but won't originate any themselves. These would tend to be middle-rank followers, they tend to be sincere and unshakeable in their beliefs. They are not to be confused with the general membership. This last category doesn't have a mental illness besides any that may be caused by the cult.

A psychotic-psychopath may lead a secular movement. There's no psychological rule that says the pathological dynamic this personality creates only occurs in religions. I think totalitarian parties of the 20th century had it. Any somewhat fringe, borderline organization, such as the militia movement, or a conspiracy cult would be susceptible to it. I'm not saying it happens to them all the time, I'm saying when it occurs, it's most likely to happen with those organizations.

Therefore, you'll have someone like Andrea Dworkin in feminism. Unfortunately, I think there are likely others like her who have gravitated toward the women's movement and tend to spread false information within it. A lot of them in academia.

I've already pissed off women reading this, but I'll add: the whole feminist movement is not like this, thankfully, but it doesn't take very many to sidetrack it or even some damage. All it takes is a system that somehow promotes them leadership, or at least, makes them prestigious. I think feminists reliance on novel social science with no effective skepticism does just that.

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I'm not sure how in touch she was with reality throughout most of her adult life, given her writing Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #1
Scapegoating certainly is a symptom of an unhealthy mind Major Nikon Sep 2012 #3
People like confidence in leaders 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #5
Exhibit #1: L Ron Hubbard. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #13
There are other examples Major Nikon Sep 2012 #15
She was a disassociative or schizoid personality. hifiguy Sep 2012 #14
The false rape story was just brilliant satire 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #2
They probably just had sex "as women do". nt Bonobo Sep 2012 #4
If you read through the Salon article you can find other hypothesis Major Nikon Sep 2012 #6
Perhaps 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #7
That's pretty much the story of her life Major Nikon Sep 2012 #8
When they do realize what she did 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #9
The feminist Manchurian candidate? Major Nikon Sep 2012 #10
Why not? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #11
I'm not sure the reason for their conspiracy theory can be found in another conspiracy theory Major Nikon Sep 2012 #12
Her "husband" Stoltenberg is an interesting character in his own right. Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2012 #17
Oh, yeah....I read he wasn't her husband in the "traditional" sense ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2012 #18
No, she made it very clear that they didnt "do it" Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #19
This obsession with strictly enforced sexual abstinence to remain credible 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #23
That is so very sad 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #22
There's also the delusional liar. caseymoz Sep 2012 #16
"Why can't a psychopath also be a psychotic?" lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #20
Who says they're successful? caseymoz Sep 2012 #21
She had a husband? Shitty Mitty Sep 2012 #24
In the legal sense at least Major Nikon Sep 2012 #25
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