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Warren DeMontague

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57. I agree with much of this.

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:56 PM

Jul 2012

I think we should be offering a genuine alternative, as opposed to "You need to vote for us because the other guys are nuts"

I also think tone matters. Too many important issues- like the environment- get framed by our side in the voice of the scold. No one likes a scold. People drive cars for a reason. Industrial civilization, despite the obvious problems, was developed for a reason. Its not going away.

We need to be funny, smart, progressive, fair, freedom embracing and FORWARD thinking.

I wonder how many men were inspired by Kennedy's challenge to go to the moon? We need that kind of leadership.

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How do we get more men to vote for democrats? [View all] lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 OP

Don't let republicans walk all over us. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #1

I think the current crop of 40+ white suburban males are a lost cause. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #2

I think that the 40+ group is a lost cause because we've never heard from an economic populist. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #3

Solid libertarian stances on social policy. Anti-censorship, anti-drug war, pro choice in all areas. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #4

In addition: Look at the demographics for Jesse Ventura's win in Minnesota. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #5

Indeed they would.. Upton Feb 2012 #7

I think it depends a bit on the way the idea is promoted. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #8

I got this recurring nightmare that the Republicans drop a platform bomb Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #11

it would be a brilliant tactic, but they hate hippies too much. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #12

But their followers are nearly infintely malleable. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #16

I agree with Warren DeMontague..and I would also add.. Upton Feb 2012 #6

Gun control is widely recognized as a loser issue at the federal level. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #9

Agree about Ed ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2012 #10

Stop acting ashamed of working class men? mistertrickster Feb 2012 #13

I have similar feelings and think I know what you mean, but can you give me some examples? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #14

This article is great. mistertrickster Feb 2012 #17

I'd agree getting Ed types out more front and center SpartanDem Feb 2012 #18

I'm kicking this back up because it's a pressing question. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #19

Kick Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #20

Your foot's been busy today ZenLefty Jun 2012 #21

It's like a twitch, or a spasm Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #22

Odin2005 nailed it for me over here... MicaelS Jul 2012 #23

"Every time an Upper-Middle Class Dem talks about...." and this happens all the time, right? Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #24

Actually, you are right, it isn't complicated. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #26

Perception, yes. But the "latte sucking liberal who preaches about how great he is for shopping at Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #27

Goes to my point. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #34

I'm talking about odin's specific quote. He said, "Every time an Upper-Middle Class Dem talks about Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #35

I still think you are missing the basic gist of this. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #36

Believe me, I knew plenty of arrogant, condescending rich folks well before Whole Foods even existed Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #37

Love it. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #39

Hysterical. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #41

Excellent video..... Broken_Hero Jul 2012 #45

In many ways, they are in competition. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #40

I think the wage gap is really the wealth gap. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #43

I agree with this. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #44

Gun issues lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #25

Its just a loser issue, nationally. It doesnt sell. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #28

To be honest, no Democrat in power is pushing control right now ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #29

Hearing how men are the problem, men are disposable, etc unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #30

I'm sorry, but that's stupid. Plain stupid. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #31

The alternative to acquiescence is pushback. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #32

There's nothing wrong with pushback ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #33

I've never heard that from anyone except a few isolated, angry internet loons. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Jul 2012 #38

+100 lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #42

This cannot be echoed enough. n/t unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #46

What if instead of all that there were a small but vocal group 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Jul 2012 #48

Frankly if one side has a vocal, and apparently accepted minority 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #49

I think it's a real small minority, loud internet blather to the contrary I don't think they have Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #50

Don't forget Sweden 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Jul 2012 #53

Hmm. Some of that stuff, for better or worse, breaks more on cultural/demographic/geographic lines Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #54

It's not all push, it's not all pull. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #55

Stop trying to be an alternative to the TeaPubliKlans and get back to being choice of ideas and ends TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #56

I agree with much of this. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #57