A rather typical example of the double standard

[Warren DeMontague]

6. Interesting post.

Since you've brought it into our group, I assume you want it looked at.

"hers was a criticism of the patriarchal view of sexual intercourse"

Okay, so, let's have a look at Dworkin's "criticism" of the same, shall we?

"Romantic love, in pornography as in life, is the mythic celebration of female negation. For a woman, love is defined as her willingness to submit to her own annihilation. The proof of love is that she is willing to be destroyed by the one whom she loves, for his sake. For the woman, love is always self-sacrifice, the sacrifice of identity, will, and bodily integrity, in order to fulfill and redeem the masculinity of her lover."

"Intercourse is the pure, sterile, formal expression of men's contempt for women"

"For men I suspect that this transformation begins in the place they most dread -- that is, in a limp penis. I think that men will have to give up their precious erections and begin to make love as women do together."

Anyone want to come out of the woodwork to defend those specific quotes?

I'll wait.

More, from Scootaloo:

"Basically the whole idea that Dworkin was crazy"

Except, she WAS crazy. She hallucinated being pursued by giant invisible penises across Europe, in the years before she died. Even her most ardent supporters realized that she had finally come completely unglued, unlike her prior partial unglued-ness that caused her to say shit like penetrative intercourse is "immune to reform".


Scootaloo has obviously, deliberately and blatantly misrepresented the record on Andrea Dworkin.

I leave it to the reader to decide if Scootaloo is misrepresenting anything else.