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In reply to the discussion: Comedic double standards [View all]

caseymoz

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44. I certainly do see one . . .
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 09:53 AM
Jul 2012

Last edited Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:27 PM - Edit history (1)

. . . only not the one you're talking about.

Interesting that after you don't convince me of your point, you take that fail and divert the conversation to what you really want to talk about: the double-standard. So, the subject isn't whether Tosh was bluffing, joking or threatening. It's that society is too touchy about rape on female as opposed to rape on males, and whatever Tosh intended is irrelevant to the higher cause of using this incident to attack the old double-standard.

Okay, I'll go there. Let's talk rape double-standard.

If men themselves want to stop laughing off male rape, as they did in the example you gave, they can. It doesn't become women's double-standard because guys themselves consider showing offense with rape to be beneath a male's concern, or rather that's the posture men take, to hide their own discomfort, I think. It's not society's double standard in favor of females that's at work here, either.

The onus belongs with men, here. It's men who can't cooperate against rape on males, and then blame females for cooperating too well against rape on females. That's the double-standard.

The only time men seriously bring up rape on males is to complain that women ignore the problem. Granted, feminine organizations do, but I also I don't see any of the things women have established against rape for women being established for males by males. Now, unless females actively suppress male efforts to organize against it, that's not the fault of women's organizations. It's the men who can't or won't get their act together about it.

So, if guys want to laugh off rape on males, we can. Don't expect women to ever go along with it regarding females, though. Men laugh because we're even more uncomfortable and ashamed about rape on males than women are on females. The laughter by men hides something women have overcome.

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Comedic double standards [View all] 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 OP
My first OP here 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #1
to be honest, I find both scenarios to be repugnant maddezmom Jul 2012 #2
I agree with you there. Nt Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #3
I agree with you. Thank you. I would like to ask OP about part of the OP though. uppityperson Jul 2012 #19
My intent 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #22
Thank you. Rape can and often does result in permanent physical damage as well as psychological uppityperson Jul 2012 #24
Yeah, I'm not seeing a double standard here. I'm seeing two examples of repugnant behavior. yardwork Jul 2012 #20
The double standard would be in the public response to both instances 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #23
In that case, the overwhelming guilt is on those who are silent in the face of female oppression. yardwork Jul 2012 #27
Not DU 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #28
That's your argument. You're saying that it's hypocritical of people to disagree with Tosh's words yardwork Jul 2012 #30
Ok . . . so where is the petition 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #31
When did this episode of The Talk air? How do you know there wasn't a petition at the time? yardwork Jul 2012 #32
Exactly my point 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #34
Whatever. /nt yardwork Jul 2012 #36
"Something you say when you know you're in the wrong but can't admit it it?" 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #37
Here's something to get outraged over. This is something we can all agree is wrong: yardwork Jul 2012 #38
O . . . k . . . 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #39
The justification, as with Solanis, is that it is "brilliant, necessary satire" Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #4
After reading william's Op (which I'm sorry to see he's deleted) lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #5
OT, I was sorry to see him delete the OP, too. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #7
I think this clip does fall to the same low standard as a rape joke, but Squinch Jul 2012 #6
I think the rape comments were way out of line, and I would agree, more egregious in many ways. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #8
Could the double standard be because of how often each happens in real life? Squinch Jul 2012 #9
Maybe, but there are a lot of horrible things that happen pretty rarely. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #11
A woman being raped by 5 guys in a comedy club is pretty rare . . . 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #12
But a woman being raped by 5 guys when we don't specify the location is not that rare Squinch Jul 2012 #16
Actually that's still pretty rare. 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #17
I think, again, you're ignoring the implied or assumed acceptability of the comments Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #18
Because some women, like some men, like some people, are insensitive, or jerks, or not thinking uppityperson Jul 2012 #21
We agree 100%. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #25
Tosh was as out of line as Michael Richards ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #10
Nothing is off the table in comedy. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #13
pretty much my feeling as well. comedy should be cutting ans sometimes offensive loli phabay Jul 2012 #15
Hey, I "thought we were done with Tosh"? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #14
Men should complain more. caseymoz Jul 2012 #26
How was it a threat? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #29
If threats were perceived rationally . . . caseymoz Jul 2012 #33
"I'm certain as Tosh made the remark, this woman did not perceive the chance that five guys . . . " 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #35
See it your own way, then. caseymoz Jul 2012 #40
On open mic night . . . 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #41
I certainly do see one . . . caseymoz Jul 2012 #44
I disagree. I think what Tosh dd was borderline incitement. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #42
I wouldn't say it rises to that level 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #43
There was a very interesting article in today's NYT hifiguy Jul 2012 #45
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