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[lumberjack_jeff]

2. This is an interesting article.

Right down to the title; the sneering subject line of countless DU posts is actually a legitimate question. Thanks William.

I was with you right up to this point:

We spent quite some time attempting to find MRMs who could be engaged in a constructive manner, but eventually gave up. If men’s rights are to be addressed on any kind of serious level, it will have to be by feminism.

Disagree in the strongest possible way. Men cannot outsource the process of liberation from the things that oppress us.

Use the example (from the article) of sexual abuse of men. It is unrealistic in the extreme to expect feminism to deal seriously with the issue when so much is invested in the idea that it's nonexistent. Suggesting that it is a problem gets you ostracized from progressive circles. Suggesting that there should be battered men's shelters is met IMMEDIATELY with howls of indignation that it's impossible that women batter men with equal or greater frequency.

It is one thing to say that the knowledge, methodology and techniques of feminism are useful to the "masculist" movement. It is something else to say that feminists should be in charge.

What is needed is a progressive alternative to men's rights organizations.

It's an extremely thought provoking article, despite my major reservations about large sections of it.

Based on this, we have proposed a rule of thumb called Ozy’s Law: It is impossible to form a stereotype about either of the two primary genders without simultaneously forming a concurrent and complementary stereotype about the other.

Or, more simply: Misandry mirrors misogyny.