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Warren DeMontague

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46. Also, "The Patriarchy" as it is presented by the folks "poked fun at", is a conspiracy theory

Tue Jul 10, 2012, 11:37 PM

Jul 2012

that not only posits some insane penis-plot as the source of ALL human oppression, ever, everywhere, but also makes goofy-ass, absurd assertions like "penetrative PIV sex is an oppressive, artificial social construct implimented by the patriarchy™"

I've acknowledged repeatedly that Western Civ, and particularly Western Religion, have historically had a Patriarchal Orientation, (duh) which is NOT the same thing as imagining some spooky "Patriarchy™" that personally approves every boob picture that goes on the internet with an evil "MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA".

In fact, I think that things like constrictive gender roles and expectations have gotten much better, not because of legions of Dwork "battling against The Patriarchy™" but because of many of those same things the 2nd Wavers bleat and moan about; namely, the sexual revolution, freedom, openness, and the dreaded idea that "private behavior between consenting adults is their own business" eyeroll eyeroll.

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why does this crud continue [View all] unreadierLizard Jul 2012 OP

You have privilege, you can be discriminated against. Downwinder Jul 2012 #1

Sucks, doesn't it? But try not to let... TreasonousBastard Jul 2012 #2

I did say that unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #3

Apparently many on DU are convinced that radical feminism is a progressive agenda Major Nikon Jul 2012 #4

A progressive agenda that leans heavily on fundies 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Jul 2012 #5

It seems now a days unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #6

You can hear some of the same messages coming from the right Major Nikon Jul 2012 #7

The right wins when they make the issue anything other than class warfare ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #8

+1000 SnohoDem Aug 2012 #90

Because men internalize the "yes dear" framework. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #9

I think a lot of it is fear 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #11

I've been called all of the above here. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #12

I got called a fan of rapists and child molesters today Major Nikon Jul 2012 #69

It's always nice when they decide they are "done here" and you're "not worth it".... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #71

I wish they'd say that, and mean it. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #74

I don't even think Brett Farve retired that many times (n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #77

I got called it yesterday. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #73

The "her" has multiple disciples that have learned from the master Major Nikon Jul 2012 #75

With me, you must stick, master Windu. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #76

Always two there are, no more, no less: a master and an apprentice. Major Nikon Jul 2012 #78

I had one of them insist that I was defending rape because 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #81

It's pretty effective at revealing the mental age of those who choose to use such rhetoric Major Nikon Jul 2012 #70

You came to DU 30 days ... trumad Jul 2012 #13

I have looked at the big picture. unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #14

Those are some serious issues... jorno67 Jul 2012 #15

So let me get this straight... trumad Jul 2012 #16

I don't see either of us having an advantage. unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #17

Yep, the core problem is that we live in an oligarchy, not a patriarchy. (nt) Kurovski Sep 2012 #97

This is the men's group, not the whites group. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #21

amen Broderick Jul 2012 #83

If you showed that black Americans live shorter lives 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #18

OK--let's make her white... trumad Jul 2012 #19

Answer the question: 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #20

He asked an absolutely valid question. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #22

Oh horseshit..... trumad Jul 2012 #25

"This place is full of the biggest fucking whiners on DU".. opiate69 Jul 2012 #30

No see here's where you misunderstand 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #31

Trumad, you've made it perfectly clear how you feel about this group, repeatedly. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #41

Well ya know.. we bore him so much.... opiate69 Jul 2012 #43

This is exactly the sort of shit that should get you banned in a safe haven (n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #42

And . . . .gone 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #24

I answered the fucking question--- trumad Jul 2012 #26

No, you didn't 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #27

You seriously need to explian this strawman. trumad Jul 2012 #28

Please answer the question 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #29

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #33

So . . . no answer then? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #34

Logic. Some people don't do it very well. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #36

Or . . . 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #38

I wouldn't expect an answer.. Upton Jul 2012 #37

If the situation were reversed 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #39

He tried... lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #40

Actually your histrionic response here has inadvertently raised a good point 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #35

Are personal attacks all you've got? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #32

I'll answer, if you don't mind. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #44

There is very little "gender essentialism" here and there aren't a whole lot of "MRAs", either. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #45

That's an odd response. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #47

If you have a problem with the existence of the group, you shouldn't be posting here. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #48

I feel like I've contributed posts of substance here. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #50

You are in a protected group, and calling out group members, attacking the existence of the group, Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #53

I've called someone out? DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #57

You'll notice that you're not blocked from this group. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #63

Also, "The Patriarchy" as it is presented by the folks "poked fun at", is a conspiracy theory Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #46

You have some salient points. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #49

And I like Andrew Blake, but I neither said you were a fan of Dworkin nor asked who your favorite Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #51

Actually, you raised the point of porn. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #52

You're right. I mentioned boob pictures. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #54

I'm not telling you what to think. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #56

PS no idea who Scootaloo is... DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #55

Why you even assume I need a lecture or some sort of ethical inventory-taking is beyond me. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #58

I think you're misreading. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #59

Remember that you're in a protected group, and you ought to try to stick to the topic of the thread. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #61

You have acknowledged having, quote, "multiple accounts". How are we supposed to know who IS "you" Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #68

P.S. Here is the point at which you personify the conversation to reflect your own experiences. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #60

Due to this exchange, your favorite group on your profile is now "The Men's Group". Just FYI. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #62

And no, I didn't personify anything in that post, I made the comment about Andrew Blake only in Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #64

First off thank you for your time in answering my question 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #65

Point by point lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #66

Hi Jeff. MadrasT Jul 2012 #67

By asking me, you're getting only one man's opinion. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #72

Thank you. MadrasT Jul 2012 #79

You're welcome. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #80

As one man's opinion as you say Broderick Jul 2012 #82

Don't come here to attack group members. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #23

this male privilege thing Whisp Jul 2012 #84

I think that's the flaw in many feminist critiques 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #85

Two immutable principles in US society lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #87

And its funny because the same people who condemn men for allegedly 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #88

I think the net effect of privilege is a matter of degrees. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #86

In all truth, caseymoz Jul 2012 #89

I think the implication is . . . caseymoz Aug 2012 #91

Because Skinner allows it Sick of the GOP Aug 2012 #92

Hey, if you have problem with Skinner.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #93

At our request, Skinner set up the men's group. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #94

Oh good gawd. Iggo Aug 2012 #95

And hey...PRONOUNS! Iggo Aug 2012 #96