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Warren DeMontague

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37. Believe me, I knew plenty of arrogant, condescending rich folks well before Whole Foods even existed
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 02:14 PM
Jul 2012

I just don't see one coming at expense of the other, and I think more than anything else, Odin is tilting at a windmill, or a straw man of his own creation.

I mean, if there is one authoritative list and a numerical hierarchy of what-it-is-we-need-to do, then the point of "prioritizing" one set of goals over the other might make sense. I think a solid argument could be made for "prioritizing" environmental goals over everything else, simply because at this point in time, we've got one planet only, and if we seriously fuck that up, everything else is moot.

That said, I happen to think things like jobs and a livable min. wage and a real solid safety net are extremely high priority. I've worked a whole slew of low-pay jobs with no health insurance in my adult life, too. I think part of our problem ("ours" being the DNC) hasn't been that "we" have focused too much on social liberalism at the expense of economic progressivism, but in that we have only articulated arguments and support for BOTH sides in a half-assed, mealy-mouthed fashion, which isn't terribly inspirational to anyone. Surely, there have been changes and improvements. I happen to think the health care bill, while not perfect, is a step in the right direction. I am proud of the President for (finally) supporting marriage equality. But many members of our party have been in thrall to 'republican lite' economic policies for a long time.

Like I said; I'm all for solid economic progressivism. Livable minimum wage. Jobs projects on the scale of FDR, to rebuild our country's infrastructure (I'd also like to see more peaceful investments in cutting edge technology, from energy to NASA) A SPHC system.

But even if our party came out tomorrow for all those things, people who want to be mad about prius-driving whole foods shoppers will still find a way to do so IMHO.

Speaking of which, if you haven't seen this yet:



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Don't let republicans walk all over us. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #1
I think the current crop of 40+ white suburban males are a lost cause. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #2
I think that the 40+ group is a lost cause because we've never heard from an economic populist. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #3
Solid libertarian stances on social policy. Anti-censorship, anti-drug war, pro choice in all areas. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #4
In addition: Look at the demographics for Jesse Ventura's win in Minnesota. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #5
Indeed they would.. Upton Feb 2012 #7
I think it depends a bit on the way the idea is promoted. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #8
I got this recurring nightmare that the Republicans drop a platform bomb Old and In the Way Feb 2012 #11
it would be a brilliant tactic, but they hate hippies too much. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #12
But their followers are nearly infintely malleable. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #16
I agree with Warren DeMontague..and I would also add.. Upton Feb 2012 #6
Gun control is widely recognized as a loser issue at the federal level. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #9
Agree about Ed ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2012 #10
Stop acting ashamed of working class men? mistertrickster Feb 2012 #13
I have similar feelings and think I know what you mean, but can you give me some examples? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #14
This article is great. mistertrickster Feb 2012 #17
I'd agree getting Ed types out more front and center SpartanDem Feb 2012 #18
I'm kicking this back up because it's a pressing question. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #19
Kick Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #20
Your foot's been busy today ZenLefty Jun 2012 #21
It's like a twitch, or a spasm Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #22
Odin2005 nailed it for me over here... MicaelS Jul 2012 #23
"Every time an Upper-Middle Class Dem talks about...." and this happens all the time, right? Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #24
Actually, you are right, it isn't complicated. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #26
Perception, yes. But the "latte sucking liberal who preaches about how great he is for shopping at Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #27
Goes to my point. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #34
I'm talking about odin's specific quote. He said, "Every time an Upper-Middle Class Dem talks about Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #35
I still think you are missing the basic gist of this. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #36
Believe me, I knew plenty of arrogant, condescending rich folks well before Whole Foods even existed Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #37
Love it. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #39
Hysterical. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #41
Excellent video..... Broken_Hero Jul 2012 #45
In many ways, they are in competition. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #40
I think the wage gap is really the wealth gap. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #43
I agree with this. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #44
Gun issues lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #25
Its just a loser issue, nationally. It doesnt sell. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #28
To be honest, no Democrat in power is pushing control right now ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #29
Hearing how men are the problem, men are disposable, etc unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #30
I'm sorry, but that's stupid. Plain stupid. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #31
The alternative to acquiescence is pushback. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #32
There's nothing wrong with pushback ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #33
I've never heard that from anyone except a few isolated, angry internet loons. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Jul 2012 #38
+100 lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #42
This cannot be echoed enough. n/t unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #46
What if instead of all that there were a small but vocal group 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Jul 2012 #48
Frankly if one side has a vocal, and apparently accepted minority 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #49
I think it's a real small minority, loud internet blather to the contrary I don't think they have Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #50
Don't forget Sweden 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Jul 2012 #53
Hmm. Some of that stuff, for better or worse, breaks more on cultural/demographic/geographic lines Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #54
It's not all push, it's not all pull. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #55
Stop trying to be an alternative to the TeaPubliKlans and get back to being choice of ideas and ends TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #56
I agree with much of this. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #57
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