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lumberjack_jeff

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36. Logic. Some people don't do it very well.

Reply to 4th law of robotics (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 5, 2012, 01:46 PM

Jul 2012

Factors which are evidence of advantage in discussion about race, apparently constitute disadvantage in discussions about gender.

Thus:
Black people who go to jail are there because of racism. On the other hand, men who go to jail are there because of their indoctrination in violent patriarchal social mores.
Hispanic people who don't go to college are precluded because of racism. On the other hand, men who don't go to college chose not to because they can make tons of money without an education.
Native american people who die young do so because of the economic and social effects of racism. Men? They make their own irresponsible choices. A privilege that women aren't accorded.

It's a heavily invested and well-funded belief and stereotype... not a conclusion.

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why does this crud continue [View all] unreadierLizard Jul 2012 OP

You have privilege, you can be discriminated against. Downwinder Jul 2012 #1

Sucks, doesn't it? But try not to let... TreasonousBastard Jul 2012 #2

I did say that unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #3

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A progressive agenda that leans heavily on fundies 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #10

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It seems now a days unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #6

You can hear some of the same messages coming from the right Major Nikon Jul 2012 #7

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+1000 SnohoDem Aug 2012 #90

Because men internalize the "yes dear" framework. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #9

I think a lot of it is fear 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #11

I've been called all of the above here. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #12

I got called a fan of rapists and child molesters today Major Nikon Jul 2012 #69

It's always nice when they decide they are "done here" and you're "not worth it".... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #71

I wish they'd say that, and mean it. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #74

I don't even think Brett Farve retired that many times (n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #77

I got called it yesterday. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #73

The "her" has multiple disciples that have learned from the master Major Nikon Jul 2012 #75

With me, you must stick, master Windu. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #76

Always two there are, no more, no less: a master and an apprentice. Major Nikon Jul 2012 #78

I had one of them insist that I was defending rape because 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #81

It's pretty effective at revealing the mental age of those who choose to use such rhetoric Major Nikon Jul 2012 #70

You came to DU 30 days ... trumad Jul 2012 #13

I have looked at the big picture. unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #14

Those are some serious issues... jorno67 Jul 2012 #15

So let me get this straight... trumad Jul 2012 #16

I don't see either of us having an advantage. unreadierLizard Jul 2012 #17

Yep, the core problem is that we live in an oligarchy, not a patriarchy. (nt) Kurovski Sep 2012 #97

This is the men's group, not the whites group. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #21

amen Broderick Jul 2012 #83

If you showed that black Americans live shorter lives 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #18

OK--let's make her white... trumad Jul 2012 #19

Answer the question: 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #20

He asked an absolutely valid question. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #22

Oh horseshit..... trumad Jul 2012 #25

"This place is full of the biggest fucking whiners on DU".. opiate69 Jul 2012 #30

No see here's where you misunderstand 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #31

Trumad, you've made it perfectly clear how you feel about this group, repeatedly. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #41

Well ya know.. we bore him so much.... opiate69 Jul 2012 #43

This is exactly the sort of shit that should get you banned in a safe haven (n/m) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #42

And . . . .gone 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #24

I answered the fucking question--- trumad Jul 2012 #26

No, you didn't 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #27

You seriously need to explian this strawman. trumad Jul 2012 #28

Please answer the question 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #29

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #33

So . . . no answer then? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #34

Logic. Some people don't do it very well. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #36

Or . . . 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #38

I wouldn't expect an answer.. Upton Jul 2012 #37

If the situation were reversed 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #39

He tried... lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #40

Actually your histrionic response here has inadvertently raised a good point 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #35

Are personal attacks all you've got? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #32

I'll answer, if you don't mind. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #44

There is very little "gender essentialism" here and there aren't a whole lot of "MRAs", either. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #45

That's an odd response. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #47

If you have a problem with the existence of the group, you shouldn't be posting here. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #48

I feel like I've contributed posts of substance here. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #50

You are in a protected group, and calling out group members, attacking the existence of the group, Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #53

I've called someone out? DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #57

You'll notice that you're not blocked from this group. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #63

Also, "The Patriarchy" as it is presented by the folks "poked fun at", is a conspiracy theory Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #46

You have some salient points. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #49

And I like Andrew Blake, but I neither said you were a fan of Dworkin nor asked who your favorite Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #51

Actually, you raised the point of porn. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #52

You're right. I mentioned boob pictures. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #54

I'm not telling you what to think. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #56

PS no idea who Scootaloo is... DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #55

Why you even assume I need a lecture or some sort of ethical inventory-taking is beyond me. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #58

I think you're misreading. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #59

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You have acknowledged having, quote, "multiple accounts". How are we supposed to know who IS "you" Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #68

P.S. Here is the point at which you personify the conversation to reflect your own experiences. DeadParrotz Jul 2012 #60

Due to this exchange, your favorite group on your profile is now "The Men's Group". Just FYI. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #62

And no, I didn't personify anything in that post, I made the comment about Andrew Blake only in Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #64

First off thank you for your time in answering my question 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #65

Point by point lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #66

Hi Jeff. MadrasT Jul 2012 #67

By asking me, you're getting only one man's opinion. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #72

Thank you. MadrasT Jul 2012 #79

You're welcome. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #80

As one man's opinion as you say Broderick Jul 2012 #82

Don't come here to attack group members. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #23

this male privilege thing Whisp Jul 2012 #84

I think that's the flaw in many feminist critiques 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #85

Two immutable principles in US society lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #87

And its funny because the same people who condemn men for allegedly 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #88

I think the net effect of privilege is a matter of degrees. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #86

In all truth, caseymoz Jul 2012 #89

I think the implication is . . . caseymoz Aug 2012 #91

Because Skinner allows it Sick of the GOP Aug 2012 #92

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At our request, Skinner set up the men's group. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #94

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