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lumberjack_jeff

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11. "women's responsibility for teaching sons and... the men around them"

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 08:40 PM

Dec 2011

Let me lighten your load. You don't bear the moral responsibility to teach me what is acceptable conduct, any more than I have the responsibility to educate you or any other nearby women.

As grownups, our responsibility for our individual conduct is our own. To believe otherwise is to replace paternalism with maternalism. Both are condescending.

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Tough Guise: Violence, Media & the Crisis in Masculinity [View all] redqueen Dec 2011 OP

Yes and no. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2011 #1

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, so to speak. I certainly don't disagree with that. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #20

So can I come into the Feminists group and post a video of what I think women should be like? Warren DeMontague Dec 2011 #2

Let me answer that -- no. nt. mistertrickster Feb 2012 #12

+ 1000 opiate69 Feb 2012 #13

good point, not sure anybody has the rights answers when it comes to stuff like this loli phabay Jul 2013 #15

+1 nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #21

Crap, I can't even get along with -myself-, some days. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #30

i cant even go there. I was a big meanie! galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #19

lol.. join the club... opiate69 Jul 2013 #22

he is a saint with the gift of patience, to be sure. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #25

Bwahahaha! lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #31

I watched it dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #3

Its so much more than just violence that needs to be addressed. HuskiesHowls Dec 2011 #4

"where males are taught from little up that they have to be the provider" ISNT paternalistic galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #27

Good point!! HuskiesHowls Jul 2013 #43

This is tough to believe Doctor_J Jul 2013 #38

As a society, we are taught violence wins. HuskiesHowls Jul 2013 #44

Jackson Katz is full of it.. Upton Dec 2011 #5

The world is changing. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2011 #6

The world may be changing.. Upton Dec 2011 #7

What "attributes" are you talking about? plantwomyn Dec 2011 #8

What to attribute the "seeming acceptance of violence against women and children"? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2011 #9

You state that the "operative phrase is "seeming" plantwomyn Dec 2011 #10

"women's responsibility for teaching sons and... the men around them" lumberjack_jeff Dec 2011 #11

pretty sure the last people i would want advising me are the extreme feminists loli phabay Jul 2013 #16

I'm not sure I'd ever take my cue from you. radicalliberal Jul 2013 #14

mens problems are caused by men listening to bullshit like this. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #18

Nonathletic boys' problems are caused by those who tell them that they're less manly . . . radicalliberal Jul 2013 #26

ah, man you seem cool and I'm not trying to down you. i respect your experience. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #28

Thank you very much for the kind compliments. :) radicalliberal Jul 2013 #33

I think you're conflating machismo and masculinity unfairly. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #32

You've made a good point. :) radicalliberal Jul 2013 #34

^ Wall of truth Dash87 Jul 2013 #36

I agree! Do you know what's ludicrous? radicalliberal Jul 2013 #40

Attack of the zombie thread!!! opiate69 Jul 2013 #41

Excellent! lol radicalliberal Jul 2013 #42

great example of a "nice guy" attempting to engender himself to the ladies (and get laid) galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #17

I guess I'm not quite so cynical about it. I believe his intentions are good, but as you put it nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #23

i totally understand and appreciate your view galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #24

I do think there's a good bit of truth to what you just said. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #29

Not really... rrneck Jul 2013 #35

+1000. A must-see TED talk. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #39

That reminds me. I haven't watched Hard Target in probably a year Doctor_J Jul 2013 #37