Men's Group

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)

62. Whatever you call it, the important thing is admitting there's a problem.

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 06:33 PM

Feb 2014

I mean for both genders, in this society. We're all more or less fucked, as I see it, at this point.

*Edit: BTW that Jessica Valenti article was excellent. Thank you for pointing me to it.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

84 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

If Misandry DOES exist, it might look like this: [View all] Bonobo Jan 2014 OP

Hate of a gender is an equal opportunity sport Major Nikon Jan 2014 #1

It must be difficult Bonobo Jan 2014 #2

I cannot understand why so many women hate penises. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #3

The excerpted quote out of context noamnety Jan 2014 #4

Then one has nothing to do with the other. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #5

I read the whole thing Major Nikon Jan 2014 #6

*** Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #7

Hey hey ... This Sucks ... hey hey ho ho! In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #8

I'm confused Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #9

whoops In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #10

It's all good. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #11

lol In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #12

I totally resemble that remark. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #13

!!! Major Nikon Jan 2014 #14

OMG! I've never seen one that BIG! In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #15

.|. Major Nikon Jan 2014 #16

The drawbridge is a work of art. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #17

I think that was the idea Major Nikon Jan 2014 #18

There is now another HoF thread declaring that short hair IS a political statement Doctor_J Jan 2014 #19

It's not for lack of bread. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #20

True, albeit 50 years behind the power curve Major Nikon Jan 2014 #21

I'm sorry, I know this stuff upsets you but it just doesn't ping my radar at all. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #22

OK, then answer this question honestly: Bonobo Feb 2014 #23

Would the person be accused of misogyny? Sure. Would the initial comment have been deserved? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #24

Not what I meant. Bonobo Feb 2014 #25

"Men are swiftly accused of murderous misogynistic creepy disgusting rage and hatred." Okay, I can nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #26

So you say it is unjust, but not that high on the scale. Bonobo Feb 2014 #27

No argument. I think we're closer on this issue than we both think sometimes. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #28

So I assume this post of yours was directed at women as well as men? RiffRandell Feb 2014 #29

If the shoe fits, yes, absolutely. Rudeness and incivility are certainly not unique to either gender nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #30

It seemed to me that your point was what you stated in your post RiffRandell Feb 2014 #34

I think you understand me just fine. And whatever disagreements I may have had with people nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #38

A few more words on the ridiculous "tone argument"... opiate69 Feb 2014 #36

You know what? I have no problem with that at all, honestly. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #39

Here's the problem with "historically disadvantaged group" Major Nikon Feb 2014 #31

Ask women how they feel about their place in the world. Obviously you'll get a variety of answers nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #32

That's an argument against double standards, not for double standards Major Nikon Feb 2014 #33

Does anyone ask men how they feel "about their place in the world"? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #35

No, indeed they have a word for men expressing their feelings about that. Bonobo Feb 2014 #37

There's a difference between arguing that men have problems too - and they *do*, self-evidently - nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #41

I never heard anyone here blame it on Feminism. Never. Bonobo Feb 2014 #46

No disagreement. No problem. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #48

That's not what MRAs do Major Nikon Feb 2014 #47

Okay, maybe I'm judging them by the most extreme members. I should be a little more careful there. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #51

Which is also why it's not a good idea to judge feminists by their most extreme and vocal members Major Nikon Feb 2014 #53

Absolutely. I think Dworkin was a lunatic but that hardly motivates me to reject feminism generally. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #55

Y'know....there are people here who think calling Dworkin a lunatic.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #57

If I were to rub in their faces how much I despise a (like it or not) significant feminist figure - nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #61

It is usually pushback from the widely accepted fact that Dworkin became a total kook ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #66

As I'm sure you'd agree, privilege is a complex, nuanced thing. I never meant to argue otherwise. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #40

I wouldn't agree with that at all Major Nikon Feb 2014 #42

Then maybe we both just see what we want to see. If you don't think you're "privileged" then I guess nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #43

Do you believe men aren't aren't at any disadvantage in this society? Major Nikon Feb 2014 #45

How exactly do sexual violence or lack of representation "prove female privilege"? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #49

"The majority of rape victims are women" Major Nikon Feb 2014 #52

You're right, we can both cherry-pick stats all we want. But the most obvious conclusion is that nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #54

It's the easiest segment of the problem to control Major Nikon Feb 2014 #56

Whatever you call it, the important thing is admitting there's a problem. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #62

If there was one definition of the word, then it'd be possible to answer your question unequivocally lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #44

I guess if nothing else, you'll never be a woman, and neither will I. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #50

So is it misandry to wish that a man's penis would shrivel up and fall off? Bonobo Feb 2014 #58

Okay, I don't like jokes insulting people's genitals, generally speaking. Male or female. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #63

Really? Is that REALLY "Misandry"? Bonobo Feb 2014 #67

Dictionaries have a well-known patriarchal bias. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #68

Now you guys are just outright putting words in my mouth... nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #70

On re-read, I can see how it seems that way. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #79

"You want me to accept that a horny guy that tries to learn pickup techniques hates women?" nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #69

I didn't say you said it. Bonobo Feb 2014 #72

I just don't think an insulting blog post rates very high on the radar compared with, say, rape nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #73

Determined to paint you as a villain? Bonobo Feb 2014 #74

That's not what I think. And I don't think many HOF members actually believe that either. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #75

For me, it's not an issue of "pinging my radar" or "hurting me personally" Bonobo Feb 2014 #76

I never said any of those things. Nor have I seen any posts saying so, at least not outright. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #77

OK, so what aspect of the PUA thing means they don't recognize the right to say no? Bonobo Feb 2014 #78

I say that the most persistent form of male privilege is the presumption that we have our own agency lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #82

Depends on the case, I suppose. If that exchange were between two people aready in a relationship nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #83

Well at least we don't have to put words in your mouth any more. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #80

Only true if we accept that privilege is entirely subjective. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #59

If privilege were subjective as some suggest, the entire concept would be worthless Major Nikon Feb 2014 #60

So you can objectively prove that women in America are "privileged" over men much the same way nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #64

Does the fact that blacks are incarcerated at a rate 6x whites reflect white privilege? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #65

So you're convinced that women have (nearly) all the advantages, and men (nearly) all the nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #71

Not balanced? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #81

Yeah, I overstated things a bit. Didn't really mean to put words in your mouth or anything. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #84