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lumberjack_jeff

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44. When women were underrepresented in college is was most certainly a crisis.
Wed Jan 1, 2014, 11:16 AM
Jan 2014
From Inside Higher Ed

Similarly, the AAUW cites test scores on the ACT and SAT to contest the idea of a crisis in the education of males. "Over all, test scores on the SAT and ACT exams challenge the notion of a boys’ crisis. Boys continue to hold an advantage, albeit small, on these undergraduate admissions tests. While the number of girls taking these exams has risen, so too has the number of boys."
Whenever the AAUW releases reports, there is a quick response from women's groups that question its assumptions. The Independent Women's Forum, for example, immediately questioned the analysis.
But so did some education experts.
Thomas Mortenson, a senior scholar at the Pell Institute for the Study of Opportunity in Higher Education, didn't question the specific numbers in the report or the idea that both male and female students can succeed at the same time. "Women have made huge progress in education over the last six decades," he said. "The success of women is a great story -- it shows what we can do when we set our minds to task."
But he said that in 1970, when he started his career in higher education policy analysis, there were 1.5 million more men than women in higher education and "I recall vividly that women complained that this was a crisis. Now there are 2.7 million more women than men in higher education and the feminists assert that this is not a crisis. What am I missing here?"
He noted the hugely disproportionate rates of suicide among men who are 25 to 34, and of incarceration, and asked how this could be anything but a crisis.
"The hypocrisy of the feminists -- AAUW being a major part of this -- astounds me," Mortenson said. "The fact is male lives are falling apart at the growing margins of male welfare, and the utter failure of the education system to address male needs on male terms is indeed a crisis. We have shown what the education system can do for women when we set our minds to it."


As measured by the SAT test, boys learn more in school, yet they get worse grades, are more frequently disciplined, are more likely to be diagnosed with a learning disability and are more likely to drop out or commit suicide. The fact that 80% of primary school teachers are women, and are working with a curriculum designed to maximize girls chances of success is a contributing factor.

If this phenomenon were simply an odd cultural artifact of some chronic social bias, it wouldn't be so troublesome. In fact it's a consequence of conscious public policy.

this same attitude was displayed in the recent hof thread Doctor_J Nov 2013 #1
In any movement there is that group whose worst fear is that... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #2
"In ANY movement..." thucythucy Dec 2013 #13
Yeah, any movement... TreasonousBastard Dec 2013 #16
Unfortunately the patriarchy is not dead for men Major Nikon Nov 2013 #3
Why call it Patriarchy though? Bonobo Nov 2013 #4
Because people need to understand what it really is Major Nikon Nov 2013 #5
It is the premise underlying the current porn discussions. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #8
I think the actual underlying premise goes a bit deeper Major Nikon Dec 2013 #10
I disagree with the assertion that thucythucy Dec 2013 #14
What better way to protect than through control? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #15
In terms of patriarchy vs. matriarchy thucythucy Dec 2013 #18
As a conceptual frame, it's not all that far off. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #21
Why do you think that all the successful human societies lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #17
I don't know. thucythucy Dec 2013 #19
Until quite recently, men have been largely disposable. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #20
But in that case they're "protected" at the expense of any possible freedom or self-determination. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #22
Self-determination has historically been in short supply. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #23
No argument. "Freedom" is always relative - in many cases very, VERY relative. n/t nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #24
I'm not sure I understand these distinctions you seem to be making. thucythucy Dec 2013 #25
It's not really about what practical value the patriarchy has anymore Major Nikon Dec 2013 #26
Agreed. The patriarchy, however defined, should be consigned thucythucy Dec 2013 #28
You're right to a point. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #27
Well, we can go round and round on this. thucythucy Dec 2013 #29
Talking with you about this has made me think about terminology. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #30
You're assuming that equality has thucythucy Dec 2013 #31
For every 3 women enrolled in college, 2 men are. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #33
It IS an achievement, considering thucythucy Dec 2013 #35
I did create a progressive men's group to address a variety of issues. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #36
Do you actually read the pages to which you link? thucythucy Dec 2013 #37
Have a Merry Christmas and we'll talk again after the holidays. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #39
Too late to wish you a merry Christmas, (I was away from all computers!!!!) thucythucy Dec 2013 #41
It was wonderful. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #42
Glad to hear it. I also had a wonderful holiday. thucythucy Jan 2014 #43
When women were underrepresented in college is was most certainly a crisis. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #44
Once again you quote a small portion of the link you provide: thucythucy Jan 2014 #45
In 1970, a smaller gap was a huge problem. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #46
I'd have to see the raw figures thucythucy Jan 2014 #47
As a first part of a reading list thucythucy Jan 2014 #48
I've read most of it. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #49
It's not hard to find where the bias comes in with AAUW Major Nikon Jan 2014 #50
Even conceding all that, thucythucy Jan 2014 #51
And how much of that is due to illegal discrimination? Major Nikon Jan 2014 #53
agree. nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #54
So you disagree with the raw data thucythucy Jan 2014 #52
The demographic trend of an increasing percentage of young people going to college... lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #55
So it's the "splashing sounds" thucythucy Jan 2014 #56
I wanted to add something else. thucythucy Dec 2013 #32
The need for victimization intervention for men is irrelevant. Political will is nonexistent. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #34
The need for intervention and support for male victims is not "irrelevant." thucythucy Dec 2013 #38
The need is irrelevant. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #40
"Dead" seems just a wee bit optimistic at this time LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #6
+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #7
I agree Major Nikon Nov 2013 #9
This part here: thucythucy Dec 2013 #11
I just don't see where she's coming from at all. Seems an incredibly selective view of things. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #12
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