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ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
15. It's really simple.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:06 PM
Dec 2013

It isn't LIKE a demand for group think, it IS a demand for group think.

The group in question, and this is just a speculation, are people who may have been harmed in some way by men but have not healed. And the fact is that this healing, for most of them, may NEVER occur. If this is the case, I do feel sympathy for them and whatever it may be that has happened to them. However, acting as a group, it is obvious that there is enough unbridled anger there, being reinforced and amplified amongst each other, that they've long since abandoned the fact that it was an individual or individuals which have caused their pain, not an entire categorical group.

Once you've gone there, my sympathy disappears. The group in question is more about demonizing men as a whole, treating them as inferiors and sub-human, and looking upon anything males favor as abhorrent, retrograde, and anti-progressive. To attempt this kind of a bigotry in a liberal framework touted as a type of feminism, where we would otherwise look at such a bigotry itself as abhorrent, retrograde, and anti-progressive, requires the kind of rhetorical tomfoolery we usually see from them.

It's why hypocrisy is not only acceptable, but unavoidable. Why it is okay to shout at men the worst sort of accusations of troglodyte behaviors, and why even the most careful statements of criticisms in the mere direction of a woman are intolerable and ALWAYS "sexist"? It's to be expected. Men bad, women good, at least among these so-called "feminists". When a woman says, "that man has a point" which opposes their narrative, they are "traitors". It seems to be just an us vs. them situation, and has little to do with advancing the rights of women to points of true equality. It's why they'll jump into bed with the likes of Ed Meese if it gets that nasty objectifying porn out of the hands of those male grotesques. Put aside the fact that Ed's one of the most reactionary of the party of reactionaries, and would probably rewrite the Constitution to declare women as property given half a chance to do so. It's an acceptable alliance because every erection prevented is a battle won, apparently.

Feminism, in its primacy of purpose, is to assure for women the same freedom of choice that men have, in all aspects of society where no other limiting factor would otherwise exist. Going further, if, indeed, those limiting factors are presumed to exist, they should be ruthlessly questioned and subject to the preponderance of the burden of proof if we are to accept them. At its heart, the point of feminism is to tear down the artificial edifices of restriction placed upon women's bodies, ambitions, roles, and minds so that women may enjoy fully the gamut of choices that men have always taken for granted.

Yet, when a woman chooses something that does not mesh with their idea of the "right" choice, all of a sudden the choice and freedom and agency of women that they claim to care so much about become "troublesome" and "regressive". Of course, the hypocrisy in this is obvious, so to coat it with a delicious candy shell, it all of a sudden conveniently becomes coercion in the guise of choice. Well, there you go. The usual malefactors are, of course, blamed (patriarchy, etc).

"Gender Traitors" [View all] Bonobo Dec 2013 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #1
i dontt get this at all, its almost like a demand for group think loli phabay Dec 2013 #2
It's really simple. ElboRuum Dec 2013 #15
Indeed! In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #3
There's a reason we have multiple women's groups ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #4
Wow. Doctor_J Dec 2013 #5
The very things that they love to accuse men of, HappyMe Dec 2013 #6
Not from certain so called "feminists". RiffRandell Dec 2013 #7
I just don't want or need HappyMe Dec 2013 #8
I bet you are! RiffRandell Dec 2013 #9
not judging but i always thought you were a guy, no idea why loli phabay Dec 2013 #12
Really? HappyMe Dec 2013 #19
guess your a traitor. lol loli phabay Dec 2013 #25
Every day. HappyMe Dec 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #10
Some apparently have no use for credibility Major Nikon Dec 2013 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #13
I totally agree. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #14
When you are a slave to your emotions, that's a problem Major Nikon Dec 2013 #16
Not quite on-topic, but I'm sorry you were insulted just for disagreeing with someone. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #17
No need for you to apologize. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #21
I can't comprehend how this clique has avoided their "Judgement at Nuremberg" moment Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2013 #18
I think it's what they want, ultimately. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #20
You are so right on the alert part. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #23
Yeah, suuuuure ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #28
I really don't get it either, but I'm not losing sleep over it. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #24
"seem to be Pubic Enemy #1." In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #26
No kidding. Bonobo Dec 2013 #27
The good news is, the Feminist Group doesn't roll like that in general. nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #29
Apparently not. Bonobo Dec 2013 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Dec 2013 #33
The funny think about this Bonobo Dec 2013 #36
Anger clouds the mind. Major Nikon Dec 2013 #34
Probably because, and this is not ball washing.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #35
The rest of you aren't so bad yourself. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #38
Well.. Except that opiate guy.. He's just a tool lol opiate69 Dec 2013 #41
Yeah, I just noticed that in the thread from this OP. RiffRandell Dec 2013 #37
"The precious rape porn" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #39
Damn.. I totally missed the latest donnybrook! opiate69 Dec 2013 #40
Don't miss the "DU men are solely to blame for the selfie flap" pier six'er ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #42
Kick, for people that claim to miss the insult. RiffRandell May 2014 #43
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