Barack Obama

babylonsister

(171,669 posts) Tue Apr 21, 2015, 09:11 PM Apr 2015

So, TPP and Obama. Thoughts? [View all]

I might not understand this enough, and what I have heard is a different story from different mouths, so what do you think?

I as an avid Obama fan, don't want him to do this. I trust too many people who are against it.

What do you think is the motivation?

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So, TPP and Obama. Thoughts? [View all] babylonsister Apr 2015 OP

I want to think that this will go the way of the Keystone pipeline deal... NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #1

I have always looked at Bill Clinton and Barack Obama as old Rockefeller Republicans rurallib Apr 2015 #2

President Obama is a Democrat. He has excellent Democratic Accomplishments.. I don't care how Cha Apr 2015 #15

I apologize for offering an honest opinion rurallib Apr 2015 #18

Good for you. That's just it..an "opinion". Cha Apr 2015 #19

After watching his interview on Chris Matthews tonight, KMOD Apr 2015 #3

My problem is that Labor doesn't agree at all. That's one of them. So why? babylonsister Apr 2015 #4

I too, need to do more research. KMOD Apr 2015 #5

While I understand it, I think "labor" is afraid of change, not realizing Hoyt Apr 2015 #32

I think the people he considers to be the most knowledgeable on the subject say it's a good thing. PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #6

Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #7

You are wrong, and I would alert babylonsister Apr 2015 #8

I will, however, alert. Drunken Irishman Apr 2015 #9

Thanks for alerting.. what an idiotic thing to say. Shows he knows not a damn thing about the Cha Apr 2015 #13

Sorry, bsis... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #12

Good to know I'm not the only one confused about this. Most of the arguments lamp_shade Apr 2015 #10

I'll be honest; Jamaal510 Apr 2015 #49

I have a background in shipping which gives me some... TreasonousBastard Apr 2015 #11

Thank you, TreasonousBastard. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #16

Interesting argument/opinion. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #27

Hey, bsis. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #14

"Will massive Trans Pacific trade deal hurt American workers? Labor Secretary Thomas Perez pushes Cha Apr 2015 #17

NAFTA done right in other words. ucrdem Apr 2015 #20

+1 treestar Apr 2015 #22

A link to what is available from US Senate right now, and can be downloaded. American workers are freshwest Apr 2015 #52

Thanks for your input, everyone. babylonsister Apr 2015 #21

Certain people trying to make this into a bogeyman treestar Apr 2015 #23

I take him at his word on it. lovemydog Apr 2015 #24

I'll take my faith in him over hyperbole, conjecture and machinations any day. great white snark Apr 2015 #25

I can only think of two words and one phrase, blackmail, bribery or drank the Kool-Aid. Cleita Apr 2015 #26

I will reserve my judgement until I see the final agreement. still_one Apr 2015 #37

I think he simply believes this is better than the status quo. DCBob Apr 2015 #28

For me it's simple....by and large Republicans want it and know whats in it. yourout Apr 2015 #29

That is inane logic. Perhaps if you read the agreement when it is available you can make your own still_one Apr 2015 #33

Let me clairify.....What was the last time Republicans did something that Dems did not want that.... yourout Apr 2015 #39

Good clarification. However, I do not think all Democrats in Congress are against the TPP. That still_one Apr 2015 #43

This might help. It doesn't really discuss the details of TPP, but it makes very clear that still_one Apr 2015 #30

But the full agreement will be huge. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #35

Actually, there will be at least 90 days for the public to weigh in through their representatives, still_one Apr 2015 #42

How would amending a trade agreement work? bornskeptic Apr 2015 #48

In a perfect world, with perfect agreements, guillaumeb Apr 2015 #50

The first thing to remember is the TPP isn't about trade. jeff47 Apr 2015 #31

We won't know for sure until we see the final agreement, which we will see before the debate or vote still_one Apr 2015 #34

You're assuming that a giant agreement can be meaningfully analyzed in a very short time. jeff47 Apr 2015 #36

I believe that there will be folks who will be able to specifically point out in the agreement, pros still_one Apr 2015 #40

And I believe in the tooth fairy. jeff47 Apr 2015 #46

Regardless, I need to re-evaluate my thoughts on this. I thought it still_one Apr 2015 #47

I wrote this as a response down thread. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #38

You quote that Congressional member cannot see specifics of the legislation, but that flies counter still_one Apr 2015 #41

Just an observation. The discussions in this thread are so much more civil than other areas, where still_one Apr 2015 #44

nice observation guillaumeb Apr 2015 #45

Excellent thread... AuntPatsy Apr 2015 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author steve2470 May 2015 #53

President Obama is right on this trade agreement. Major Hogwash May 2015 #54

I like your answer, Major Hogwash. sheshe2 May 2015 #55

TPP is the whine du jour. Major Hogwash May 2015 #56

There is always something on the menu at DU, Major. sheshe2 May 2015 #57

Back in the day, we used to say DU's motto should be . . . Major Hogwash May 2015 #58

Roflol~ sheshe2 May 2015 #59

I'm not quite that old. Major Hogwash May 2015 #61

I find it very confusing, frankly. Obama clearly believes what he's saying, & I understand ... Hekate May 2015 #60

good post steve2470 May 2015 #62

Thanks. "Rational" and "global perspective" are qualities I have long ascribed to Obama... Hekate May 2015 #63

I just watched the entire interview on yahoo.com with the President steve2470 May 2015 #64

I appreciate this thread... BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #65