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In reply to the discussion: President Obama is not violating his liberal principles by defending the NSA. He is exercising them. [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)12. Correct. Want change? Change Congress. They passed it. Obama has asked them to change his powers
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granted under the AUMF, as they can be abused when he leaves office and are a danger to begin with.THEY WON'T DO IT.
Instead, Congress is passing federal ultrasound law, slashes aid to the poor and children and is ignoring the harm the Sequester is doing to millions of Americans now.
The personhood riders, and ending food stamps, Head Start, TANF, Medicaid and ACA, which civil libertarian hero Rand Paul puts on every budget bill, doesnt ever come up in discussion of 'civil liberties.' So they approve, just as the Infowars crowd approves of all of that.
There is a significant difference in 'civil liberties', 'civil rights' and' human rights', then. Apparently, they are the problems of those other, lesser people that don't matter.
Animal Farm indeed.
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President Obama is not violating his liberal principles by defending the NSA. He is exercising them. [View all]
OKNancy
Jun 2013
OP
You need to dial back the hyperbole and outrage a little bit if you want to have a conversation.
reusrename
Jun 2013
#57
IMHO, the stuff about Dr. Mengele is extremely relevant to this conversation, and here's why:
reusrename
Jun 2013
#59
I've already responded to all of your questions and you have answered none of mine.
reusrename
Jun 2013
#64
I don't know how to say this without sounding patronizing, but I'll ask a sincere question anyway.
reusrename
Jun 2013
#67
first, it's not clear the laws even allow that-- it seems likely this was illegal.
NoMoreWarNow
Jun 2013
#50
Bring me up to date on how it has been proven effective, so far I have seen only
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#5
Reality like the reality of how the terror-fightin' powers of The Patriot Act have *actually*
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2013
#20
"Liberals are not libertarians or anarchists." Could someone let 2/3 of GD know this, please??
Number23
Jun 2013
#7
Correct. Want change? Change Congress. They passed it. Obama has asked them to change his powers
freshwest
Jun 2013
#12
I don't know why I put it here. I should never open more than one tab in my browser.
reusrename
Jun 2013
#76
That is wrong information. For starters, two of those cases are regarding Bush warrantless
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#72
Do you understand why FISA has been upheld and before its existence, warrantless wiretapping was
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#74
That flippant suggestion might work if it wasn't 60+ years of caselaw we were talking about
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#81