Election Reform

ToxMarz

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97. The mere fact that the source code is proprietary is suspicious

Reply to scottie55 (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:10 AM

Apr 2016

Counting votes is addition. It shouldn't be doing anything fancy that would require special code.

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Show Me The Source Code Or Throw The Voting Machines Out!!!!! [View all] scottie55 Apr 2016 OP

I say just throw them out, period. There are better ways. Ones in which people silvershadow Apr 2016 #1

YES! haikugal Apr 2016 #4

We have to fight for this. We don't currently have a fair democracy. nt stillwaiting Apr 2016 #15

What better methods would you suggest? metroins Apr 2016 #52

Yes workers can cheat. zeemike Apr 2016 #60

Pair Republican counters with Democratic counters... Thespian2 Apr 2016 #87

I would add: bvar22 Apr 2016 #121

Well if I were designing it myself. zeemike Apr 2016 #128

Why just retired people? druidity33 Apr 2016 #129

To add some importance to the job. zeemike Apr 2016 #130

I can't endorse "closed doors". bvar22 Apr 2016 #131

Not sealed off or hidden from view zeemike Apr 2016 #134

In most nations, our included, the ballots are counted AFTER the poll closes. bvar22 Apr 2016 #139

Well that is a good point. zeemike Apr 2016 #143

The more complex, the easier it is to make it close enough annabanana Apr 2016 #132

Exactly.n/t zeemike Apr 2016 #135

Depends on who controls kacekwl Apr 2016 #82

. merrily Apr 2016 #2

India Voting LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #3

I Bet They Are Open Source And Verifiable Right? Yallow Apr 2016 #6

I read several years ago about a system they had developed at a university there. LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #10

A first-year high school computer science student SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #24

Those machines were designed from the git go to be hacked. That is the only way they would have been LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #29

I completely agree. HAVA was a huge scam. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #44

And you need to see the ballot definition file for every election. Wilms Apr 2016 #5

It Needs To Do Multiple Backups During The Process So Tampering Can Be Spotted Yallow Apr 2016 #7

Not sure. Wilms Apr 2016 #11

At any time the congress could have mandated secure voting machines (it would be easy to do) LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #8

The ghost of Andy Stephenson agrees. truedelphi Apr 2016 #19

If the revolution can continue long enough to get some people in congress. If the old Occupy LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #25

Right You Are! Each month, there are 360,000,000 transactions processed by ATM truedelphi Apr 2016 #33

People have never demanded it. There are federal laws about accuracy with financial transactions LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #42

Taking a receipt home does no good to ensure accuracy JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #47

If people insist on machines, that sounds good. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #77

I miss him annabanana Apr 2016 #136

bullshit - this is one party doing this crap - republicans certainot Apr 2016 #84

Someone Might Vote The Corrupt Assholes Out Yallow Apr 2016 #9

Voting in the U.S. is one big joke. nt valerief Apr 2016 #12

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi Apr 2016 #34

do you think these voting machines are also the reason Obama won twice? La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #13

Lol, I bet you think Bush won fairly. nt phazed0 Apr 2016 #14

the second time around he did. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #17

Second time not so much either. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #22

No, I think Obama had such a huge majority SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #23

Exactly. In 2008, he had huge crossover voter appeal. truedelphi Apr 2016 #35

As I understand it ... aggiesal Apr 2016 #62

Yeah, that too. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #75

obama knew from the beginning questionseverything Apr 2016 #56

Yep. I remember that. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #76

I think ACT and SAT fill in the circles PatrynXX Apr 2016 #16

You know how they count those? JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #43

You realize that NY used verifiable paper ballots, right? n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #18

this does not fit the narrative, so the reality is rejected. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #20

? scottie55 Apr 2016 #30

the optical scans can be rigged too questionseverything Apr 2016 #58

The OP may be in response to NY (I have no idea) SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #26

In New York 126,000 voters 14% of all Democrats in Brooklyn were purged. That's no accident. think Apr 2016 #31

Thank you for pointing out some most important information truedelphi Apr 2016 #39

A Republican elections office person has been suspended and an investigation is ongoing. pnwmom Apr 2016 #40

You realize that unlike more progressive Calif, where a person can still truedelphi Apr 2016 #36

They could have voted for their hearts desire if they had registered last October, since he pnwmom Apr 2016 #41

Supposedly, the Democratic Party wants to reach out... earthmanneil Apr 2016 #67

I didn't, but that's why suppression is important. roody Apr 2016 #53

Do they use optical scanners to count votes, or do they hand count? n/t Bodych Apr 2016 #54

Yes. Should have been done years ago. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #21

The legacy of SCOTUS and the GWB selection rolls on, doesn't it? nt. silvershadow Apr 2016 #27

I Guess I Am Not The Only One That Knows/Thinks Elections Are Fixed scottie55 Apr 2016 #28

what WILL it take to get people to act on this??? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #32

How do we even know Sanders supporters didn't hack Michigan HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #37

How about going higher Tech instead? Amimnoch Apr 2016 #38

Internet Voting scottie55 Apr 2016 #57

no that's no good - that means if there's a problem every one certainot Apr 2016 #85

Am I recalling correctly that Diebold said they couldn't generate a receipt? paparush Apr 2016 #122

I believe the voting machines in Ohio are accurate. JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #45

Well they stole Ohio in 2004 Pharaoh Apr 2016 #49

Those were different machines JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #55

Strickland Was Beyond Evil scottie55 Apr 2016 #59

He's running for senator in Ohio to replace Rob Portman JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #91

foolish to trust any system we the people cannot personally oversee questionseverything Apr 2016 #61

Our system has oversight JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #93

while making sure the "output" the machine spits out is possible, not reporting more votes than questionseverything Apr 2016 #108

We have a sign in book JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #111

you keep referring to making the count match how many voted, which is ONE step questionseverything Apr 2016 #114

The paper trail is the verification of machine count JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #115

please provide a link to the state board of elections that shows questionseverything Apr 2016 #116

I do it myself JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #125

i knew no human actually counted the vote...just wanted you to admit it ,thanks questionseverything Apr 2016 #140

Any system can be defrauded to an extent... JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #141

questionseverything Apr 2016 #142

All the main touchscreen machine types and the Diebold Optical Scans have been hacked in tests. Hacking_Democracy Aug 2016 #145

Ohio uses three different companies to record our votes. JohnnyRingo Aug 2016 #146

All insiders with access can change the electronic votes, not just the voting machine companies. Hacking_Democracy Aug 2016 #147

Paper ballots Pharaoh Apr 2016 #64

Me either. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #78

I'm guessing you just patented purple ink remover JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #94

They tried to steal it in 2012 as well dflprincess Apr 2016 #65

Ohio voting machines are not connected to the internet JohnnyRingo Apr 2016 #92

it was the reporting website that they tried to cover with a "mirror" website with a different questionseverything Apr 2016 #109

Thank you dflprincess Apr 2016 #144

just have elections by a DMV thumb-print app on your phone veronique25 Apr 2016 #46

We are not screwed Pharaoh Apr 2016 #48

proprietary code serves a rigged system The Wizard Apr 2016 #50

100% NT northernsouthern Apr 2016 #51

It's the optical scanners and central tabulators doing the dirty work... Bodych Apr 2016 #63

At least there are marked ballots that could be reviewed. paparush Apr 2016 #123

Paper ballots, hand counted, in public, cameras rolling, nothing less. Scuba Apr 2016 #66

You got it :-) n/t Bodych Apr 2016 #68

Yep. nt SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #74

That's a real election, a fair had honest election. Bingo!! nt 99th_Monkey Apr 2016 #81

Print the ballots SCVDem Apr 2016 #69

Yeah! Pharaoh Apr 2016 #70

excellent cannabinoid idea, but... veronique25 Apr 2016 #95

K&R. Please don't forget to... Mr_Jefferson_24 Apr 2016 #71

Did not know this group existed. This primary is so rigged. It is very obvious for who. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #72

Oh my! SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #79

K&R. Yes please! Overseas Apr 2016 #73

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Apr 2016 #80

In India and other countries with parliamentary systems, voters don't choose candidates eridani Apr 2016 #83

It makes me wonder why our elections costs so much money. midnight Apr 2016 #86

I think paper ballot with counting at each precinct is THE only way to go. MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #88

"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide ish of the hammer Apr 2016 #89

Yes, we could be screwed. And our media ignores it. CaptainTruth Apr 2016 #90

Recall Election Fraud in Wisconsin? You Betcha! red dog 1 Apr 2016 #96

The mere fact that the source code is proprietary is suspicious ToxMarz Apr 2016 #97

But... WHAT'S INSIDE THAT iPHONE ?! TELL ME; WHAT'S INSIDE THAT iPHONE King_Klonopin Apr 2016 #98

Bern it Down! nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #99

But, here in America- "I want the results NOW!!!" stlsaxman Apr 2016 #100

I believe if we polled Americans and asked them if they could wait until the next day stillwaiting Apr 2016 #101

The NETWORKS want the results NOW. paparush Apr 2016 #124

There is no reason there would be delays LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #126

i have an indian friend that brags to me about being apart of a democracy retrowire Apr 2016 #102

Exactly! We have more protections in Las Vegas!! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #103

Some interesting pro and con opinions elljay Apr 2016 #104

Didn't happen the first time; won't happen this time either. closeupready Apr 2016 #105

USA is looking pretty damned silly right about now KPN Apr 2016 #106

Paper ballots Plucketeer Apr 2016 #107

And people think that by just talking about it, Madmiddle Apr 2016 #110

Yep. Kurovski Apr 2016 #112

Slot Machines vs Voting Machines benld74 Apr 2016 #113

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #117

I Used to Be a Government Programmer Leith Apr 2016 #118

Your response should be its own OP d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #120

If we can't throw out the computers ... november3rd Apr 2016 #119

Bingo. This would solve a lot of problems. nt. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #138

YES Angry Dragon Apr 2016 #127

+10000000 colsohlibgal Apr 2016 #133

If my grocery store can give me Marthe48 Apr 2016 #137

agree clarkkentvotes Sep 2016 #148

DARPA funded Opensource voting software and hardware Luvapottamus Mar 2019 #149