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Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
14. I strongly agree with you.
Tue Sep 1, 2015, 07:11 AM
Sep 2015

The 2002 GA election (if it can be called that) was the thing that alerted me to the dangers of electronic vote counting. I'll never forget watching Sonny Perdue, the new Repub governor after he defeated the incumbent Dem Barnes (who had an 11% lead on Perdue according to an Atlanta Journal-Constitution poll conducted before the election) by 5%. He looked stunned. He hardly knew what he was doing. It was obvious he never thought he would be in that situation.

In that election, the entire vote was counted completely in cyber space, no paper, no human eye saw any actual paper vote, no hand touched any paper. It was entirely "faith-based vote counting" on Diebold touch-screens. The programming for the machine was in all likelihood at least partly devised by a man who was convicted of embezzlement of a bank by using a sophisticated scheme that involved the malicious programming of computers. As soon as he was out of prison he began working for Global Election Systems, a company that was doing programs for elections. They were bought up by Diebold in 2002 and that summer the programs for the Diebold vote counting in GA were devised.

Max Cleland lost with a similar unbelievable vote flip. He was the one I was really pulling for because I thought he could help put a brake on Bush's rush to war in Iraq. I liked him a lot. He was also and still is a highly intelligent and capable Democrat. I've heard that he now thinks his election was stolen with the aid of the voting machines.

I believe optical scan machines with paper were recommended after the Gore/Bush fiasco. Skwmom Sep 2015 #1
optical scan: best of both worlds eniwetok Mar 2016 #28
Yes, Massachusetts distrusts voting machines, which is why we went to paper ballots after 2000. Why merrily Sep 2015 #2
Keep in mind that polls are also suspect now Stevepol Sep 2015 #6
I understand that. However, I repeat: anyone who thought Coakley won is dreaming, at best. merrily Sep 2015 #7
Dream or not, you might want to check out Simon's work. Stevepol Sep 2015 #11
Why would I? It's moot. Besides, merrily Sep 2015 #12
In fairness, I have to add that Coakley was a good Attorney General and ran a merrily Sep 2015 #17
it is not moot. it happens everywhr questionseverything Sep 2015 #20
Polls were always suspect. They are designed more to shape opinion than to determine what it is. merrily Mar 2016 #30
Coakley ran a terrible campaign.. eniwetok Mar 2016 #29
There were many reasons, but, IMO, this is not the time or the thread for that postmortem. merrily Mar 2016 #31
Were exit polls consistent with the reported results? n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #3
There were none. Stevepol Sep 2015 #8
No news organization did exit polls, but an exit poll apparently was done. merrily Sep 2015 #18
are we reading the same article? questionseverything Sep 2015 #21
Are you sure this article refers to a rigorous exit poll? Stevepol Sep 2015 #22
I knew what you were quoting from. Is Simon supposed to be infallible? Even IF the exit poll that merrily Sep 2015 #24
I appreciate your points. It does seem that Simon ignored a well-done exit poll. Stevepol Sep 2015 #25
As I stated upthread, if you want to discuss the importance of a clean vote, availability of merrily Sep 2015 #26
Voting machines should be absolutely, and publically, verifiable. tecelote Sep 2015 #4
It's not enough to just have a paper trail. Stevepol Sep 2015 #16
there are so many ways to rig an election questionseverything Sep 2015 #19
How many others have wondered why dhol82 Sep 2015 #5
There is a paper trail in many cases, just no "audit" Stevepol Sep 2015 #9
Wall St Candidates Wouldn't Win billhicks76 Sep 2015 #10
I strongly agree with you. Stevepol Sep 2015 #14
HANDS ON VOTING!!! ellennelle Sep 2015 #13
The only conclusion one can reach is both parties want it that way zeemike Sep 2015 #15
I am convinced that both parties want it that way also. Once you accept that it is not GoneFishin Sep 2015 #23
This is why I'm against ranked choice voting. SaveTheMackerel Feb 2016 #27
but... eniwetok Mar 2016 #32
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