Election Reform

Stevepol

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9. There is a paper trail in many cases, just no "audit"

Tue Sep 1, 2015, 06:32 AM

Sep 2015

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All it would take to have I believe much fairer results would be a legitimate "audit" of a certain percentage of the vote using randomly chosen precincts and a large enough sample to to give a 90% to 100% certainty that the result of the audit should be a truly accurate representation of the entire vote and justify the further counting of the PAPER. When the audits show a strong indication of computer fraud, the entire vote should be recounted BY HAND. If that were done everywhere in the US it would not be long I feel certain before voter fraud would be detected. The thing is, if we had required and real audits of every election, the people who are rigging the vote, almost certainly the insiders from the companies, would be far less likely to tilt the vote (especially in close elections) as is occurring now.

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What if we had an election without electronic voting machines? [View all] Stevepol Sep 2015 OP

I believe optical scan machines with paper were recommended after the Gore/Bush fiasco. Skwmom Sep 2015 #1

optical scan: best of both worlds eniwetok Mar 2016 #28

Yes, Massachusetts distrusts voting machines, which is why we went to paper ballots after 2000. Why merrily Sep 2015 #2

Keep in mind that polls are also suspect now Stevepol Sep 2015 #6

I understand that. However, I repeat: anyone who thought Coakley won is dreaming, at best. merrily Sep 2015 #7

Dream or not, you might want to check out Simon's work. Stevepol Sep 2015 #11

Why would I? It's moot. Besides, merrily Sep 2015 #12

In fairness, I have to add that Coakley was a good Attorney General and ran a merrily Sep 2015 #17

it is not moot. it happens everywhr questionseverything Sep 2015 #20

Polls were always suspect. They are designed more to shape opinion than to determine what it is. merrily Mar 2016 #30

Coakley ran a terrible campaign.. eniwetok Mar 2016 #29

There were many reasons, but, IMO, this is not the time or the thread for that postmortem. merrily Mar 2016 #31

Were exit polls consistent with the reported results? n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #3

There were none. Stevepol Sep 2015 #8

No news organization did exit polls, but an exit poll apparently was done. merrily Sep 2015 #18

are we reading the same article? questionseverything Sep 2015 #21

Are you sure this article refers to a rigorous exit poll? Stevepol Sep 2015 #22

I knew what you were quoting from. Is Simon supposed to be infallible? Even IF the exit poll that merrily Sep 2015 #24

I appreciate your points. It does seem that Simon ignored a well-done exit poll. Stevepol Sep 2015 #25

As I stated upthread, if you want to discuss the importance of a clean vote, availability of merrily Sep 2015 #26

Voting machines should be absolutely, and publically, verifiable. tecelote Sep 2015 #4

It's not enough to just have a paper trail. Stevepol Sep 2015 #16

there are so many ways to rig an election questionseverything Sep 2015 #19

How many others have wondered why dhol82 Sep 2015 #5

There is a paper trail in many cases, just no "audit" Stevepol Sep 2015 #9

Wall St Candidates Wouldn't Win billhicks76 Sep 2015 #10

I strongly agree with you. Stevepol Sep 2015 #14

HANDS ON VOTING!!! ellennelle Sep 2015 #13

The only conclusion one can reach is both parties want it that way zeemike Sep 2015 #15

I am convinced that both parties want it that way also. Once you accept that it is not GoneFishin Sep 2015 #23

This is why I'm against ranked choice voting. SaveTheMackerel Feb 2016 #27

but... eniwetok Mar 2016 #32