Election Reform

Stevepol

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41. Banks, grocery stores, etc.

Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:22 AM

Aug 2015

use electronic machines to count safely BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN VERIFY WHAT THEY SEE. My bank sends me an electronically generated bank statement. I go through it and verify that it is accurate. If that electronic machine maker (Diebold is one of them) tries to cheat, the individual can easily catch the error BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN VERIFY WHAT THEY SEE.

Try to understand this. I know it is difficult but it's possible to understand. It really is:

VOTE COUNTING ON ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES IS ESSENTIALLY UNVERIFIABLE!!!!!

A voting machine does not know by itself how to count votes. It has to be programmed by actual people. Those people may be honest people, most I'm sure are, but they can also in some cases be "bad" people. Those people actually exist and sometimes do bad things. The code in the machine is protected from oversight by copyright laws, the actual vote totals are counted only by machines, in some states (FL) it's even illegal to recount the vote by hand. Hacks, vote rigging, etc. are trivially easy to carry out and the possibility of getting caught is essentially zero. Why is this hard to understand? Read some books on it. There are hundreds out there by now.

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What does Bernie believe about the ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES? [View all] Stevepol May 2015 OP

I write about this a lot in FLA. A stronger audit of paper ballots against machine totals is needed. TheNutcracker May 2015 #1

We should make it an issue lovelydestruction Dec 2015 #47

Long past time Vincardog May 2015 #2

Read these links! Baobab May 2016 #48

I would add that people interested should Google William Spoonamore. Dustlawyer Aug 2016 #51

The 'Hursti Hack' of the Optical Scan machines Hacking_Democracy Aug 2016 #52

Thanks for bringing this up. SusanCalvin May 2015 #3

Paper ballots, hand counted, in public, cameras rolling. Nothing less. Scuba May 2015 #4

Yes, yes, yes! kath Jun 2015 #16

Yes Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #19

"Belief" is not enough. Peace Patriot May 2015 #5

Have you ever worked in Early Voting or voting on Election Day? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #7

That has nothing to do with the vote count accuracy. n/t Wilms Jun 2015 #22

If your claim iscorrect then show the facts, I have presented my information. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #23

Nice try. Wilms Jun 2015 #24

Nice try on your part, this is appearing to be another CT. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #26

. Wilms Jun 2015 #28

. GoneFishin Jun 2015 #29

Guess I have my answer. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #31

Showing the Facts Stevepol Aug 2015 #40

I understand entirely, I need to see some facts and not conspiracy therory. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #42

It is a FACT that voting machines are UNVERIFIABLE Stevepol Aug 2015 #43

We also found the paper ballots in Florida was not verifible, this has been proven. Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #45

In Florida the printed paper poll tapes are a public record of the election. Hacking_Democracy Aug 2016 #53

It doesn't appear paper ballots helped the DNC in 2000, in fact it cost Gore the election. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #6

Boston uses a paper ballot that you can choose to mark with a pencil--no chad issues--or merrily Jun 2015 #8

Did you know on the Diebold machines you are given a review of your ballot? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #25

Review is irrelevant unless you have written verification. merrily Jun 2015 #27

Having dealt with pencil strokes for several years I don't find this was an accurate system of Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #33

Testimony in Congress was that it was very easy to program the software to cheat. Not that anyone merrily Jun 2015 #34

Did I say I dealt with pencil strokes on ballots? Louisiana went to electric machines as early as Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #35

The software is easy to rig. That is not even debatable. merrily Jun 2015 #36

Yes, this is why so many people, monitors, companies, grocery stores, etc use computers. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #37

Total non sequitur fail. merrily Jun 2015 #38

When you get a valid argument we can resume. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #39

Banks, grocery stores, etc. Stevepol Aug 2015 #41

What "cost Gore the election" was the US Supreme Court sketchy Jun 2015 #9

I do not engage in CT, electronic voting and counting is more accurate. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #10

Do you engage in mathematics? sketchy Jun 2015 #11

Are you saying mathematician are not capable of CT? Do you think paper ballots can not be Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #12

No, I am not saying "mathematician are not capable of CT" sketchy Jun 2015 #13

Do Democrats care enough to demand that the votes are never left alone in the hands Cal33 Jun 2015 #15

Are you serious? Hiw long have you been voting electronically or with Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #17

If there are both Dem. and Repub. people present at all times with the votes, the Cal33 Jun 2015 #20

Here's an interesting event you may enjoy reading Stevepol Aug 2015 #44

Nothing new here, the what ifs has not been proven. Apparently you do not like voting machines, I Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #46

The voting machine totals can be rigged to match the voter sign in books. Hacking_Democracy Aug 2016 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author Thinkingabout Aug 2016 #50

I've been harping on this for years, and the Democratic Party hasn't Cal33 Jun 2015 #14

I suspect that they have benefitted in some more convoluted way. Maybe it helps in their primary GoneFishin Jun 2015 #32

This is actually one of the few things that NC has gotten right. Persondem Jun 2015 #18

fair 1STWURLDVIEW Jun 2015 #21

We need a paper record verified by the voter, on hand, available for a recount. Period. Anybody who GoneFishin Jun 2015 #30